Solving a cubic (or rather simplifying a real root in complex form)

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The discussion centers on solving the cubic equation derived from the determinant of a 3x3 matrix, resulting in the equation y^3 - 12y^2 + y + 1 = 0. The problem is approached using Cardano's method, transforming the cubic into the form x^3 + bx + c = 0, specifically x^3 - 47x - 123 = 0. The solution involves a complex expression for the real root, which the user seeks to simplify further. The discussion highlights the intricacies of cubic equations and the potential necessity of complex numbers in their solutions.

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The determinate of the following 3x3 matrix

1-y, 2 , 3
2 , 4-y, 5
3 , 5 , 7-y

gives a cubic that simplifies to,

y^3 - 12*y^2 + y + 1 = 0.

Now, apparently the teacher picked random numbers for the original matrix, making the problem delve into other realms of mathematics. It isn't solvable by factoring methods, but using Cardano's method...
Letting,

y = x +4,

the cubic becomes,

(x + 4)^3 - 12*(x + 4)^2 + (x + 4) + 1 = 0.

This simplifies to,

x^3 - 47*x -123 = 0,

which is in the form

x^3 + b*x + c = 0.

To solve a cubic like this, b and c are just plugged into the following formula,

x = ( -(c/2) + ((c/2)^1/2 + (b/3)^1/3)^1/2)^1/3 + (-(c/2) - ((c/2)^1/2 + (b/3)^1/3)^1/2)^1/3,

which for my cubic comes out...

x = ((123/2) + (-6809/108)^1/2)^1/3 + ((123/2) - (-6809/108)^1/2)^1/3.

This is a real root, but I have no idea how to simplify it, ridding it of the complex parts.
Sorry to show all the lead up, it really wasn't needed for the simplification, but since the rules say to show what you have done... I did.
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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