Will Tom DeLay Face Conviction for Political Corruption?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential conviction of Tom DeLay for political corruption, focusing on the implications of his legal situation, predictions about trial outcomes, and the nature of the charges against him. Participants explore various aspects of the case, including the likelihood of conviction, the legal strategies involved, and the political ramifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the likelihood of a conviction, with predictions that DeLay may avoid trial altogether.
  • Others argue that the indictments stem from DeLay's own testimony and assert that the evidence of financial misconduct is clear, suggesting potential money laundering.
  • A participant highlights the strategic legal maneuvering by DeLay to separate his case from others, implying a concern about the risks of joint trials.
  • There is speculation about the possibility of a plea bargain and its implications for DeLay's political future and legal status.
  • Some participants express hope for a conviction on lesser charges, while others fear that DeLay may evade serious consequences.
  • Concerns are raised about DeLay's influence and tactics in his congressional district, with some suggesting he may resort to coercive methods to secure votes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the outcome of DeLay's legal situation, with multiple competing views on the likelihood of conviction and the implications of potential plea bargains. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the legal case against him.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the legal definitions and implications of charges, the nature of evidence, and the political context surrounding DeLay's actions. There are unresolved questions about the legal process and the potential for plea deals.

Will DeLay be Convicted?


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I'd run a book if I could here and ask you to all place your bets, but as it is, we may as well keep a record of our predictions and see who turns out to be right.
 
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I bet "no".
 
No and even money it never gets to trial.
 
This would be a really hard case to win.

That doesn't mean it's a bad case to initiate. Either DeLay gets convicted or Texas's laws about campaign contributions are legally unenforcable (most likely case). Even if a technical loophole, it still let's voters know DeLay's attitude about the laws of Texas -- "Don't really give a damn because I'm better and smarter than you guys in Texas."
 
I'm of a different opinion: These indictments are a direct result of DeLeys own testimony to the Grand Jury. In addition the channeling of money ($190,000 of corporate money to the RNC and $190,000 worth of RNC money to candidates in one day) is exceedingly apparent and was done to circumvent the law. By definition that is money laundering. The only thing the DA needs to show is a little knowledge of the dealings on DeLays part.

DeLay is trying to separate his case from the other two to get through the courts before one of the other two chuckle-heads cops a deal. If the three were tried together then two of the three run a huge risk of being railroaded by the third. DeLay wants to avoid this so he is trying to go to court ASAP with a minimal number of appeals while the other two have a few appeals they are trying to push through.

They have evidence---DeLays own words, they have motive---DeLays own words, they have a crime all they need to do is show DeLay knew about the shell game.

The conspiracy charge is in regards to DeLays knowledge of the crime while money laundering charges are a direct result of DeLays acknowledgment of the crime and his participation.

I'll dig up some links in a little while.
 
I'm hoping he bites it on the lesser charge (conspiracy). I think he skips on the bigger one.
 
I voted affirmative on hope.
 
Does a plea bargan count as a conviction under your poll?
 
A plea bargain is a conviction, but if he plea bargains to misdemeanors, he would still retain certain priveleges he would forfeit if convicted of a felony - and he could still run for public office.

I just hope the people in his district - Texas's 22nd congressional district - vote for someone else next year - that is if DeLay is still eligible.
 
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russ_watters said:
Does a plea bargan count as a conviction under your poll?

No, I mean convicted of the charges that are being brought against him as of right now.
 
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Astronuc said:
I just hope the people in his district - Texas's 22nd congressional district - vote for someone else next year - that is if DeLay is still eligible.
DeLay is the type that would go to each of their homes and strong arm them into voting for him (threats work great). He should work for the mob (if he doesn't already).
 
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I voted no. I fear he will manage to weasel his way out, or plea to much lesser charges that will amount to little more than a slap on the wrist.
 
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SOS2008 said:
DeLay is the type that would go to each of their homes and strong arm them into voting for him (threats work great). He should work for the mob (if he doesn't already).
Actually, a few prominent Republicans down there near Sugarland would prefer to see DeLay go!
 

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