Euler's number e, proving convergence and bounds

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the sequence defining Euler's number \( e \), specifically through the limiting value of the sequence \( e_n = (1 + 1/n)^n \). Participants are tasked with verifying inequalities related to this sequence and exploring bounds for \( e \), particularly \( 2 \leq e < 3 \).

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  • Participants discuss the application of the binomial theorem to express terms of \( e_n \), \( e_{n+1} \), and \( e_{n+2} \). There are attempts to clarify the correct expansions and whether substitutions for \( n \) are valid. Some participants question the correctness of their expansions and seek verification of their understanding of the binomial theorem.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and corrections to each other's expansions. There is a focus on ensuring the proper application of the binomial theorem and addressing misunderstandings about factorials in the context of the expansions. While some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches yet.

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Participants note potential typos in the original problem statement and discuss the implications of these on their reasoning. There is also mention of additional inequalities that may be relevant for bounding \( e \), alongside concerns about the growth rates of factorials versus exponentials.

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The transcendental number e – Euler’s number
(the underscores(_) represent subscript and (^) represent superscript/exponet)
The limiting value of sequence {e_n} where e_n = (1+1/n)^n is the irrational number e. My text gives a challenge to see if you can prove that this converges by verifying the following: (1+1/n) ^n < e < (1+1/n) ^(n+1) and that 2 ≤ e < 3 for all n Є N. There has been a consensus in the class that there is a typo in the text and that it should read: (1+1/n) ^n < e_(n+1) < (1+1/n)^( n+1) 2 ≤ e_m < 3. I’m not sure if I know enough to question this but I will accept it and proceed with the hints on how to do this.

The first hint is to
Use the binominal theorem to write out n+1 terms of e_n using the fact that n(n-1)(n-2)/n^3 can be expressed as (1-1/n)(1-2/n). then do the same for n+2 in terms of e_(n+1) such that you can come to the conclusion that e_n < e_(n+1) right off the bat in this multi step problem I’m stumped am I using the binominal expansion correctly?. So far I’ve come up with:

e_n = 1 + 1 + (1/2)(n)(n-1)(1/n^2) + (1/3)(n)(n-1)(n-2)(1/n^3) + …. + (1/n)^n
e_n = 2 + (1/2)(n)(n-1)(1/n^2) + (1/3)(1-(1/n))(1-(2/n)) + …. + (1/n)^n

then for n+1 in terms of e_n

= 2 + (1/2)(n+1)(n)(1/(n+1)^2) + (1/3)(1-(1/(n+1))(1-2/(n+1)) + …. + (1/(n+1))^(n+1)

Then for n+2 in terms of e_(n+1) here I substituted n+2 for n in the equation above, is this correct according to the given hints?

= 2 + (1/2)(n+3)(n+2)(1/(n+3)^2) + (1/3)(1-(1/(n+3))(1-2/(n+3)) + …. + (1/(n+3))^(n+3)

I wanted to get some help on these preliminary steps before I move onto the second half of the challenge. If I am correct so far how does this come to the conclusion that e_n < e_(n+1)?
 
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Oh, it's very hard to read... You can learn how to LaTeX at the General Physics board.
Nerpilis said:
e_n = 1 + 1 + (1/2)(n)(n-1)(1/n^2) + (1/3)(n)(n-1)(n-2)(1/n^3) + …. + (1/n)^n
e_n = 2 + (1/2)(n)(n-1)(1/n^2) + (1/3)(1-(1/n))(1-(2/n)) + …. + (1/n)^n

then for n+1 in terms of e_n

= 2 + (1/2)(n+1)(n)(1/(n+1)^2) + (1/3)(1-(1/(n+1))(1-2/(n+1)) + …. + (1/(n+1))^(n+1)

Then for n+2 in terms of e_(n+1) here I substituted n+2 for n in the equation above, is this correct according to the given hints?

= 2 + (1/2)(n+3)(n+2)(1/(n+3)^2) + (1/3)(1-(1/(n+3))(1-2/(n+3)) + …. + (1/(n+3))^(n+3)

Nope that's not quite correct, you cannot substitute n + 1 or n + 2 for n, note that en has n + 1 terms while en + 1 has n + 2 terms, and en + 2 has n + 3 terms. You should again use binomial theorwm to write out the terms for en + 1, and en + 2

You seem to forget the factorial sign in while expanding the terms out :wink:...
It should read something like:
[tex](a + b) ^ n = a ^ n + na ^ {n - 1}b + \frac{n(n - 1)}{2}a ^ {n - 2}b ^ 2 + \frac{n(n - 1)(n - 2)}{3!}a ^ {n - 3}b ^ 3 + ... + b ^ n[/tex]

It seem that you forget to rewrite your third terms for en. It can be written as:
[tex]\frac{1}{2} \times \frac{n(n - 1)}{n ^ 2} = \frac{1}{2} \times \frac{n}{n} \times \frac{n - 1}{n} = \frac{1}{2} \times \left( 1 - \frac{1}{n} \right)[/tex]

Then you can continue your proof by noting that:
[tex]\frac{m}{n} > \frac{m}{n + 1}, \forall n \geq 1, m > 0[/tex]
Hence
[tex]1 - \frac{m}{n} < 1 - \frac{m}{n + 1}, \forall n \geq 1, m > 0[/tex]

Can you go from here?
Viet Dao,
 
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Thanks for the latex info, i was wondering how to enact the various notations.
Before I continue with the proof I want to verify that I'm using the binominal theorem correctly as well as latex.

[tex]e_{n+1}=2+\frac{n-1}{2n}+\frac{1}{3!}(1-\frac{1}{n})(1-\frac{2}{n})+...+(\frac{1}{n})^n+(\frac{1}{n+1})^{n+1}[/tex]

[tex]e_{n+2}=2+\frac{n-1}{2n}+\frac{1}{3!}(1-\frac{1}{n})(1-\frac{2}{n})+...+(\frac{1}{n})^n+(\frac{1}{n+1})^{n+1}+(\frac{1}{n+2}^{n+2})[/tex]I feel like I'm missing something, but anyway if I'm correct on the above expansion it seems that it would follow that [tex]e_{n}<e_{n+1}[/tex] since there is an additional expansion term that is >0 for all [tex]n\in{N}[/tex]

I do follow your the latter part of how to do the proof, however my text also throws in that i should use this additional inequality [tex]n^{n}\geq{n!}\geq{2}^{n-1}[/tex] to prove that [tex]e_{n}<3[/tex]. if I get that, from here i can use the squeez theroem to prove that e is bounded between 2 and 3. I guess I should accept the given inequality to be true, but i thought that factorials grow larger faster than exponets. Thanks again for the help:smile:
 
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Nerpilis said:
...I want to verify that I'm using the binominal theorem correctly as well as latex.

[tex]e_{n+1}=2+\frac{n-1}{2n}+\frac{1}{3!}(1-\frac{1}{n})(1-\frac{2}{n})+...+(\frac{1}{n})^n+(\frac{1}{n+1})^{n+1}[/tex]

[tex]e_{n+2}=2+\frac{n-1}{2n}+\frac{1}{3!}(1-\frac{1}{n})(1-\frac{2}{n})+...+(\frac{1}{n})^n+(\frac{1}{n+1})^{n+1}+(\frac{1}{n+2}^{n+2})[/tex]I feel like I'm missing something...

Yes, you do miss something. I think you should check the expansion for en + 1, and en + 2 again:
[tex]e_{n + 1} = 1 + \frac{n + 1}{n + 1} + \frac{1}{2} \times \frac{(n + 1)n}{(n + 1) ^ 2} + \frac{1}{3!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1)}{(n + 1) ^ 3} + ... + \frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1) ... 1}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}}[/tex]
[tex]= 2 + \frac{1}{2} \times \frac{n}{(n + 1)} + \frac{1}{3!} \times \frac{n(n - 1)}{(n + 1) ^ 2} + ... + \frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{n(n - 1) ... 1}{(n + 1) ^ {n}}[/tex]

[tex]= 2 + \frac{1}{2} \times \left( \frac{n + 1 - 1}{(n + 1)} \right) + \frac{1}{3!} \left( \frac{(n + 1 - 1)(n + 1 - 2)}{(n + 1) ^ 2} \right)[/tex]
[tex]+ ... + \frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{(n + 1 - 1)(n + 1 - 2)(n - + 1 - 3)...(n + 1 - n)}{(n + 1) ^ {n}}[/tex]

[tex]= 2 + \frac{1}{2} \times \left( 1 - \frac{1}{(n + 1)} \right) + \frac{1}{3!} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{(n + 1)} \right) \times \left( 1 - \frac{2}{(n + 1)} \right) + ... +[/tex]
[tex]+ \frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{n + 1} \right) \left( 1 - \frac{2}{n + 1} \right) \left( 1 - \frac{3}{n + 1} \right)...\left( 1 - \frac{n}{n + 1} \right)[/tex]
Now, you can use the last part of my previous post to prove that en < en + 1

Nerpilis said:
I do follow your the latter part of how to do the proof, however my text also throws in that i should use this additional inequality [tex]n^{n}\geq{n!}\geq{2}^{n-1}[/tex] to prove that [tex]e_{n}<3[/tex]. if I get that, from here i can use the squeez theroem to prove that e is bounded between 2 and 3. I guess I should accept the given inequality to be true, but i thought that factorials grow larger faster than exponets. Thanks again for the help:smile:
Of course, it's obvious that en > 2.
You can also prove the inequality n! >= 2n - 1:
n! = 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 . ... . n = 2 . 3 . 4 . ... . n >= 2 . 2 . 2 . 2 . ... . 2 = 2n - 1 Q.E.D
To continue your proof, you should note that:
[tex]1 - \frac{1}{m} < 1 , \forall m > 0[/tex]
and [tex]\frac{1}{n!} \leq \frac{1}{2 ^ {n - 1}} , \forall n > 0[/tex]
Can you go from here?
Viet Dao,
 
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wow... I think I need further instruction on the binominal expansion. I'm a bit confused (not in the algebra afterwards, but how the part with the 3! term:
[tex]\frac{1}{3!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1)}{(n + 1) ^ 3}[/tex]

this is probably due to my misunderstanding of this theorem but why is there (n+1)! in the last term
[tex]\frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1) ... 1}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}}[/tex]

when in the [tex]e_{n}[/tex] last term there isn't the factorial?
 
You should re-read your book on binomial expansion. Or you can also read it here (pay attention to the I part).
It says:
[tex](x + y) ^ n = \sum_{k = 0} ^ n \left( \begin{array}{l} n & k \end{array} \right) x ^ k y ^ {n - k}[/tex]
Where:
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{l} n & k \end{array} \right) = \frac{n!}{k!(n - k)!} = \frac{1}{k!} \times (n - k + 1)(n - k + 2) ... n[/tex]
So let x = 1 / n, and y = 1.
The forth term of the expansion for en + 1 will be:
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{c} n + 1 & 3 \end{array} \right) \frac{1}{(n + 1) ^ 3} \times 1 ^ {n + 1 - 3} = \frac{(n + 1)!}{3!(n - 2)!} \times \frac{1}{(n + 1) ^ 3} \times 1 ^ {n - 2}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{3!} (n - 1)n(n + 1) \times \frac{1}{(n + 1) ^ 3} \times 1 ^ {n + 1 - 3} = \frac{1}{3!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1)}{(n + 1) ^ 3}[/tex].
So do you get it now?
For the last term, you may write it as:
[tex]\frac{1}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}}[/tex]
But writing it as:
[tex]\frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1) ... 1}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}}[/tex] makes it easier for you to prove en + 1 > en
They are the same:
[tex]\frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{(n + 1)n(n - 1) ... 1}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}} = \frac{1}{(n + 1)!} \times \frac{(n + 1)!}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}} = \frac{1}{(n + 1) ^ {n + 1}}[/tex].
Viet Dao,
 

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