Is induction just a lazy alternative to real proofs?

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The discussion centers around the validity and elegance of mathematical induction as a proof technique. Participants explore its effectiveness compared to other proof methods, particularly in the context of understanding why certain mathematical statements hold true. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical considerations of induction.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that mathematical induction can be seen as a "lazy" alternative to more rigorous proofs, expressing concerns about its ability to convey understanding.
  • Others defend induction as a valid proof technique, suggesting that it can provide insights and answers to why certain statements are true.
  • A participant highlights the laborious nature of some inductive proofs, preferring direct proofs that reveal underlying reasons, such as the proof that \(N^3 - N\) is divisible by 6.
  • Another participant counters that the process of induction itself can reveal why a statement holds, citing the relationship between terms in the sequence of \(N^3 - N\).
  • There is mention of the subjective nature of elegance in proofs, with some participants asserting that there are elegant examples of induction, while others remain unconvinced.
  • Examples from graph theory are suggested as contexts where induction may be particularly effective, though the discussion acknowledges that not all proofs lend themselves to induction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and elegance of induction as a proof technique. No consensus is reached regarding whether induction is a valid or inferior method compared to other proofs.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with induction, with some participants favoring direct proofs for clarity, while others appreciate the pedagogical value of induction. The subjective nature of what constitutes an "elegant" proof is also noted.

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It seems to me that sometimes mathematical induction can be a lazy alternative to a real proof. I am bothered by the fact that induction does not tell you why something works, nor can it help in the actual derivation of formulae. Am i right in throwing it away so quickly? It just seems inelegant.

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hypermonkey2 said:
It seems to me that sometimes mathematical induction can be a lazy alternative to a real proof.

Induction is a perfectly valid technique.

hypermonkey2 said:
I am bothered by the fact that induction does not tell you why something works, nor can it help in the actual derivation of formulae.

What are you looking for with the "why something works"? To me an induction proof (or any other proof) will answer the question of why a statement is true.

hypermonkey2 said:
Am i right in throwing it away so quickly? It just seems inelegant.

Elegant is a subjective term, but there are many elegant induction proofs in my opinion. There are countless examples, but the first pretty one that comes to mind is proving that all integers have a prime factorization. You can also prove there are infinitely many primes in an induction type of proof, this version will also lead to crude bounds on the nth prime.

I could go on for pages about the pretty uses of induction. I suspect you've mostly been subjected to simple statements like formulas for the sum of the first n integers, which could also be proven directly. Look around, it's not hard to find less simplistic uses.
 
You bring a valid argument with the inductive proof of the interminable list of primes. I suppose i am vexed by inductive proofs say, the following:

Prove by induction that N^3 - N is always a multiple of 6 for N>2. \

The inductive proof of this is a bit laborious and inefficient. Yes, we do prove that the formula works, but we do not see why. The proof of this that I much prefer is the following.

N^3-N= N(N-1)(N+1)

we see that it is just the product of 3 consecutive numbers no? it suddenly makes more sense that it must be divisible by 6.(since 1 in 3 numbers are divisible by 3, and 1 in 2 are even).

I suppose its more vexing for trivial examples, and i also can suppose that induction can be powerful for much more complex proofs.
 
hypermonkey2 said:
Yes, we do prove that the formula works, but we do not see why.

Sure we do. In the course of the induction proof you'll see going from N^3-N to (N+1)^3-(N+1) involves adding 3N^2+3N, which is always divisible by 6 by an even/odd argument. So the induction tells you that any two numbers in the sequence 1^3-1, 2^3-2, 3^3-3, ... differ by a multiple of 6. Hence if one of them (your "base case") is divisible by 6 they all are. What more do you want for an answer to "why"?

The demand to answer this via induction is for pedagogical reasons. It's to give you another example of where you can apply induction and gives you practive applying it to a 'trivial' example to prepare you for more complicated uses. Also, it never hurts to have more than one way of proving a statement, the alternates may supply different insights (as in the bounds on the nth prime)

If you want more non-trivial examples, any graphy theory text will be filled with them. You might see induction on the number of edges a graph has, the number of vertices, it's girth, or other parameters that you might not have expected. Sometimes it will be possible to convert to a non-inductive proof, but sometimes induction will be the slickist approach (slick being subjective of course).
 

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