Unnerving wording in UN Resolution

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a recent UN resolution regarding Syria, particularly in the context of historical military actions by the USA, such as the invasion of Iraq. Participants explore the language used in the resolution, potential military actions, and the geopolitical dynamics involving countries like China and Russia.

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  • Some participants express concern that the vague wording of the UN resolution could lead to military action similar to that in Iraq, referencing past interpretations by the USA.
  • Questions are raised about the motivations behind potential military interventions, with some suggesting that the USA may randomly select targets based on political agendas.
  • There are humorous references to conspiracy theories, such as a "Saddam sandstorm machine," indicating skepticism about official narratives.
  • Some participants argue that the actions of the US government do not represent the views of all Americans, emphasizing a distinction between the government and the populace.
  • Concerns are voiced about the geopolitical consequences of military action against Syria, particularly regarding the positions of China and Russia as potential backers of Syria and Iran.

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Participants exhibit a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the implications of the UN resolution or the motivations behind US foreign policy. Disagreements persist regarding the interpretation of the USA's actions and the representation of American citizens in global politics.

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Considering the way in which Iraq was invaded:

It was determined opposition by veto-wielding China and Russia that led the co-sponsors of the resolution, Britain, France and the United States, to drop a reference in an earlier draft threatening economic and diplomatic sanctions under article 41 of the UN Charter.

Instead the resolution adopted earlier Monday warned Syria that if it failed to cooperate fully, the council "if necessary, could consider (unspecified) further action."

"The Mehlis report is still a preliminary report and the commission itself believes that the investigation is yet to be completed and there is no final conclusion," Li told the council.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051031/wl_asia_afp/unsyrialebanonhariri"

We all know how the USA interpreted this the last time.
 
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The Smoking Man said:
Considering the way in which Iraq was invaded:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051031/wl_asia_afp/unsyrialebanonhariri"
We all know how the USA interpreted this the last time.
Bolton comes to mind.
 
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Question: If the USA does decide to go into Syria and the Far right wackjobs still consider this to be the destination of all those WMD from Iraq, do they just select a new country at random or is there a formula for deciding where they get 'shipped' to the next time?

Did Saddam master 'weather control' and produce a sandstorm on command to facilitate this?

For the non-tinfoiled among us, do they consider all the bad weather in the last little while a way of disguising what they are doing?

"Enquiring minds want to know.®©"
 
The Smoking Man said:
Question: If the USA does decide to go into Syria and the Far right wackjobs still consider this to be the destination of all those WMD from Iraq, do they just select a new country at random or is there a formula for deciding where they get 'shipped' to the next time?
"We have satellite pictures of the weapons being moved into Fiji. Would I lie to you?" :smile:
 
Archon said:
"We have satellite pictures of the weapons being moved into Fiji. Would I lie to you?" :smile:
LA-la-la-la http://zapatopi.net/afdb/"
 
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The Smoking Man said:
LA-la-la-la http://zapatopi.net/afdb/"
But Evo can and yes ... I AM talking to myself! Bwahahhah.
 
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The Smoking Man said:
LA-la-la-la http://zapatopi.net/afdb/"
Oh yeah? Well, 9-11 we're currently researching a new 9-11 mind-control device which will allow us 9-11 to control demo...er...terrorists. This will help us win the War on Terror, and it's God's will. 9-11 9-11 9-11. So there!
 
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The Saddam sandstorm machine would make great conspiracy theory stuff! You might be able to get on drudge, limbaugh, and fox.:smile:

The real problem with this whole line that is being pursued at the UN is the fact that Syria and Iran have some backers that may may not stand for it. According to these two articles, it seems that China and Russia will have a problem with any kind of invasion plans that the house monkeys are trying to conjure up, perhaps to distract from their current debacle.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jid/jid051027_1_n.shtml"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=ahyBAeYj1xZg&refer=top_world_news"
 
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polyb said:
The Saddam sandstorm machine would make great conspiracy theory stuff! You might be able to get on drudge, limbaugh, and fox.:smile:

The real problem with this whole line that is being pursued at the UN is the fact that Syria and Iran have some backers that may may not stand for it. According to these two articles, it seems that China and Russia will have a problem with any kind of invasion plans that the house monkeys are trying to conjure up, perhaps to distract from their current debacle.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jid/jid051027_1_n.shtml"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=ahyBAeYj1xZg&refer=top_world_news"
Well, like Dick said, "the good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas reserves where there are democratic governments." ... and since China has a big contract with Iran ... And America quashed Unocal ... Ummm. Sorry where were we going with this? Did the USA intend to get support from this side of the ocean?
 
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polyb said:
The Saddam sandstorm machine would make great conspiracy theory stuff! You might be able to get on drudge, limbaugh, and fox.
And Shhhh ... I'm working on an exclusinve deal with the 700 Club and as soon as we get the image of Satan Photoshopped into the sand cloud things look to be a done deal.
 
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The Smoking Man said:
We all know how the USA interpreted this the last time.

Not the USA, just those in power at the moment. Bush and his crooks are not "the USA".
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Not the USA, just those in power at the moment. Bush and his crooks are not "the USA".
USA = US Government = Bush = Aliens

Going along with the theme here...
 
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Archon said:
USA = US Government = Bush = Aliens
Going along with the theme here...

The USA is defined by the Constitution and not the person who happens to be sitting in the oval office today.

Was the aliens thing just a cheap shot is that supposed to mean something?
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Not the USA, just those in power at the moment. Bush and his crooks are not "the USA".
I'm sorry ... the USA is a democracy. Nit pick all you want but you are 'ruled/led' by the actions of one man decided by the will of the people.

Voting or apathy in not voting result in the same decision ... that the will of the people ... America is done IN YOUR NAME.

Now we can HOPE that common sense takes over next time and you get a decent leader but when we talk of Gemany during the second world war, we rarely mention Karl in Dusseldorf who didn't really want Hitler in power. From the outside, you are viewed in the same light.

Bush acts for you because this is the 'social contract' you have that is your constitution.

Hey, I know your pain ... as a white guy with brown hair and hazel eyes, I can't go to a lot of places in this world that I was used to going for the same reason ... PEOPLE THINK I'M AMERICAN.

I deal with it.

So should you.
 

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