Can impurities or density in glass affect the speed of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of impurities, density, and other factors in glass on the speed of light. Participants explore whether these aspects can influence the propagation of light, particularly in terms of individual photons and group velocity within a medium.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if imperfections and impurities in glass, as well as density and brightness, could affect the speed of light.
  • Another participant asserts that nothing will affect the speed of individual photons.
  • A different participant notes that the refractive index of a medium affects the speed of light, indicating that light travels slower in glass than in a vacuum.
  • One participant clarifies that the "speed of light" referred to is actually the group velocity in a medium, which is influenced by dispersion.
  • Another participant reiterates that the speed of photons remains unchanged, emphasizing that it is the absorption and re-emission rate that varies with the medium.
  • A participant expresses a desire for expert input to provide clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether impurities and density affect the speed of light, with some asserting that the speed of photons remains constant while others discuss the implications of group velocity and refractive index. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the impact of impurities and density on the speed of light, and there are unresolved nuances regarding the definitions of speed in different contexts (individual photons vs. group velocity).

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Take light in glass. What could slow it down. I know that stuff is asorbed and then reemmited, but what about imperfections in the glass its self?? Say you have a piece glass that has impurities(little defects), or the desity of glass(not optical), the actual wave length of light, or for giggles the how bright the light is? Would any of these affect the speed of light or would light simply travel around them?
 
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None of those things (indeed, nothing) will affect the speed of the individual photons.
 
Well not nothing. The refractive index of a medium will decrease it. Right? The speed of light in glass is slower than in a vaccum. Right??
 
Danger said the speed of "photons".

The "speed of light" that you are indicating is the GROUP VELOCITY in the medium. This is the speed that is affected by the normal dispersive medium.

Zz.
 
No, the speed of the photons doesn't change. Sorry... I thought that you knew that from the wording in your first post. It's the absorption/re-emission rate, and therefore the absorption speed, that changes with the medium.

edit: Ooops! Didn't see you sneak in there, ZZ.
 
Danger said:
No, the speed of the photons doesn't change. Sorry... I thought that you knew that from the wording in your first post. It's the absorption/re-emission rate, and therefore the absorption speed, that changes with the medium.
edit: Ooops! Didn't see you sneak in there, ZZ.

Didn't mean to speak on your behalf there, Danger. But I wasn't sure if you were around to respond.

Zz.
 
Hey ZZ, you guys are the experts. I'm always hoping one of you will show up and give a definitive answer. I consider myself sort of a filler-of-space so the kids don't feel neglected before you arrive.
 

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