What is the process for calculating stress on a torus in a high pressure vessel?

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The discussion revolves around the process of calculating stress on a torus within a high-pressure vessel, focusing on the theoretical and mathematical aspects of stress analysis in this context. Participants explore various approaches to understanding radial and tangential stresses, as well as the complexities introduced by the geometry of the torus.

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  • A novice participant outlines their initial calculations for stress on a torus, detailing the angular dimensions and forces involved, and seeks confirmation on their approach.
  • Some participants note that the problem is complex, suggesting that reviewing simpler cases like straight pipes or spherical vessels could provide foundational insights.
  • One participant mentions that the radial stress is straightforward, equating it to the gas pressure inside the vessel, while noting the challenge of determining tangential stresses.
  • There is a discussion about the use of trigonometric approximations for small angles, with some participants questioning the appropriateness of certain terms in the equations.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to consider the major and minor radii of the torus and the wall thickness in their calculations.
  • A reference to literature on high-pressure vessels is provided, suggesting a method for deriving stresses based on equilibrium considerations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no clear consensus on the correct method for calculating stresses in the torus. Some agree on the complexity of the problem, while others propose different methods and considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of geometric factors, assumptions about small angles, and the specific conditions of the high-pressure environment, which may affect the accuracy of their calculations.

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I am a novice at stress analysis. For my competition, I need to calculate the stress on a torus in vacuum filled with air at pressure P.

Here's is what I have managed to do. I have attached an image below.

The torus section is an angular section of a curved cylinder. Its angular dimensions are [tex]d\psi[/tex] in reference to the torus cross section at an angle [tex]\psi[/tex] to the horizontal and [tex]d\theta[/tex] in reference to the center of the torus. The major radius of the torus is R and the minor Radius is r.

Summing the forces in the radial direction
[tex] \displaystyle\frac{1}{2}(r+dr)d\psi[R-rcos(\psi+d\psi)+R-rcos\psi]d\theta*\sigma_r - \displaystyle\frac{1}{2}dr[R-rcos(\psi+d\psi)+R+drcos\psi-rcos(\psi+d\psi)]d\theta*\sigma_{t1}+\displaystyle\frac{1}{2}\pi[(r+dr)^2-r^2]d\theta*\sigma_{t2}=0[/tex]

Here [tex]\sigma_{t1}[/tex] is the tangential stress with reference to the cross section of the torus and [tex]\sigma_{t2}[/tex] is the tangential stress with reference to the center of the torus and [tex]\sigma_r[/tex] is the radial stress.
[tex] \displaystyle\frac{1}{2}(r+dr)d\psi[R-rcos(\psi+d\psi)+R-rcos\psi]d\theta[/tex] is the area between [tex]R_{rt}[/tex] and [tex]R_{rb}[/tex](See figure)
[tex] \displaystyle\frac{1}{2}dr[R-rcos(\psi+d\psi)+R+drcos\psi-rcos(\psi+d\psi)]d\theta[/tex] is the area between [tex]R_{rt}[/tex] and [tex]R_{lt}[/tex]

Am I correct upto this point? If I am, how do I process further?
 

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Can anyone help please?
 
Even for someone with experience, you have picked a problem that is not so trivial. :biggrin: Out of curiosity, have you reviewed the solution for a straight pipe or spherical vessel. That should give you an idea the basic theory.

The radial stress is easy. Since the system is in equilibrium, the inside radial stress = gas pressure, and the outside in a vacuum must = zero. That's pretty straight forward.

Finding the tangential stresses in the hoop and longitudinal (wrt azimuthal axis) is not so easy.

Give me some time, but if anyone else wants to jump in, they are more than welcome. :biggrin:

This type of problem would be encountered in the internal stresses of an elbow bend of a pipe.
 
Thank you for the reply.

Astronuc said:
Out of curiosity, have you reviewed the solution for a straight pipe or spherical
vessel. That should give you an idea the basic theory.

Yes, I have done that.
 
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I'll work on this, but it's not often I work with toroidal coordinates.

I don't think you want terms like cos (x + dx).
 
Astronuc said:
I'll work on this, but it's not often I work with toroidal coordinates.

Thank you

I don't think you want terms like cos (x + dx).

Since [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} cos x = 1 - \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} sinx[/tex],
[tex] cos (x+dx) = cosxcosdx - sinx sindx = cos x (1-sindx) - sinx sin dx = cos x (1 - dx) - sin x dx[/tex]

because for extremely small angles dx, sin dx = dx.

Provided that the equation is correct, can this substitution work?
 
With respect to cos (x + dx), I was thinking along the lines of your latex.

Bascially, cos (dx) ~1 and sin (dx) ~ dx, but we don't usually see such use of the differential.

In spherical coordinates for examples, on has r sin[itex]\,\theta[/itex] d[itex]\,\phi[/itex], r d[itex]\,\theta[/itex], and dr.

I believe one needs to work in terms of the major and minor radii, R and r respectively, and the azimuthal angle which sweeps around the plane containing the major radius, and the azimuthal ange which sweeps around the plane containing the minor radius/diameter. One also needs the wall thickness, t, so the wall extends from r to r+t when measured from the toroidal axis.

I think I have an idea on this, but I have to work through the gory details. :biggrin:
 
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Rationale and solution there:

High pressure vessels
by Donald M. Fryer, John F. Harvey
http://books.google.fr/books?id=SZD...page&q="Pressure vessel" Torus stress&f=false

and there in chapter 13 page 804 (Pdf 11/98)
Mechanical Design of Process Equipment.pdf
by Coulson & Richardson

It's done by cutting out a part of the torus with cylindrical symmetry and deducing one stress from the vertical equilibrium. The other stress comes from the equilibrium of a surface element, the stresses acting on one curvature each.
 

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