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| Nov13-05, 10:04 AM | #1 |
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manipulating the TISE for a SHM
Hi guys, hoping someone can help with this manipulation. I need to transform this:
[tex] \frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}u(x) + \frac{1}{2}m\omega^2 x^2 u(x) = Eu(x)[/tex] Into its dimensionless form: [tex]\frac{d^2}{dy^2}u(y) + (2\epsilon - y^2)u(y) = 0[/tex] I have the following info: [tex]E = \epsilon\hbar\omega[/tex] [tex]x = y\sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{m\omega}}[/tex] Heres what ive done so far: [tex] \frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}u(x) + \frac{1}{2}m\omega^2 y^2 \frac{\hbar}{m\omega} u(x) = \epsilon\hbar\omega u(x)[/tex] [tex] \frac{-\hbar}{m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}u(x) + \omega^2 y^2 u(x) = 2\epsilon\omega u(x)[/tex] [tex] \frac{\hbar}{m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}u(x) + 2\epsilon\omega u(x) - \omega^2 y^2 u(x) = 0[/tex] [tex] \frac{\hbar}{m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}u(x) + (2\epsilon - y^2)\omega u(x) = 0[/tex] But i cant see where to go next..i know i must be close to the end though..surely! |
| Nov13-05, 10:13 AM | #2 |
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at first sight, there is one thing that remains to be done : the transformation of the derivatives.
you know that u(x) = u(y) Hint : [tex]\frac {du(x)}{dx}= \frac{du(y)}{dx} = \frac {du(y)}{dy} \cdot \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] . More specifically, can you calculate [tex]\frac {dy}{dx} = constant[/tex] ? What is that constant ? Then, do the same to get the second derivatives. marlon ps i did not check the calculations you have done so far but let us first look at the derivatives |
| Nov13-05, 10:24 AM | #3 |
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hmm, the only relationships i have in my notes are:
[tex]u(x) = Ce^{-\gamma x}[/tex] So [tex] \frac{d^2}{dx^2}u(x) = \gamma^2 u(x)[/tex] Where [tex]\gamma^2 = \frac{2m}{\hbar^2}(V_0 - E)[/tex] edit - just saw your hint..will inspect further! edit again - would i be correct to assume that [tex]u(y) = Ce^{-\gamma y \sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{m\omega}}}[/tex] ? |
| Nov13-05, 10:28 AM | #4 |
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manipulating the TISE for a SHM marlon |
| Nov13-05, 10:31 AM | #5 |
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meanwhile, your calculations are ok. Once you get my hint (ie the constant), you are done !!!
marlon |
| Nov13-05, 10:45 AM | #6 |
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hmm..no im totally lost...sorry
I dont see how you can differentiate the function when you say i dont need to know what it is. I can make a wild guess that dy/dx = 2m/hbar^2..but that would just be guessing and not actually understanding. Could you give me a further hint? To be honest functions have always confused me slightly. |
| Nov13-05, 10:51 AM | #7 |
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your guess is wrong.Well it is very easy. if you know that [tex] x = y \sqrt {\frac{\hbar}{m\omega}}[/tex] then [tex] dx = dy \sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{m \omega}}[/tex] and you know the constant. But, we need to have second derivatives, this is also easy : [tex]\frac {d^2u(x)}{dx^2}= \frac{d^2u(y)}{dx^2} = \frac {d^2u(y)}{dy^2} \cdot ( \frac{dy}{dx} )^2 [/tex] So you need to replace the second derivative of u to x by [tex]\frac {d^2u(y)}{dy^2} \frac {m \omega}{\hbar}[/tex] Just substitute this into your last equation and all is done marlon |
| Nov13-05, 10:54 AM | #8 |
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I cannot believe i didnt see that. Whoops! Simple things like that...pretty easy to overlook i guess. Thanks for the help..gonna try it out now! :) |
| Nov13-05, 10:57 AM | #9 |
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no, problem, this happens to all of us
marlon |
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