How to Calculate Tension and Horizontal Force on a Human Forearm?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension in a supporting muscle and the forces acting on a human forearm modeled as a beam. The scenario involves torque calculations related to the forearm's position and mass, with specific distances from the pivot point being considered.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between torque and force, with one participant attempting to calculate torque using the mass of the forearm and gravitational acceleration. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of torque and the calculation of forces at the pivot.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on torque calculations and questioning assumptions about forces acting on the forearm. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the distinction between torque and force.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, focusing on the static equilibrium of the forearm and the forces involved. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of physical principles without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Dear all :

I have one question about tension that is following :

The human forearm and hand can be modeled as a beam that is pivoted at one end(the elbow) and supported (by a muscle) at a short distance from the pivot. The beam(forearm) is horizontal, the muscle is vertical, the centre of mass of the beam is 15cm from the pivot, and the point of attachment of the muscle is 4 cm from the pivot. The mass of the beam is 2 kg. The pivot is frictionless.

Calculate the magnitude of the tension in the supporting muscle.

In my idea, torque = r x F = 0.15 x (2)(9.8) = 2.94Nm.

Is the tension in the supporting muscle -2.94Nm?

Thank very much. Good bye

Billy
 
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No, the tension in the muscle is a force, not a torque. Balancing the torques about the pivot, you will get that T*4cm = mg*15cm; solve for T.
 
Thank very much. I understand your idea.

On the other hand, the torque of this case should be (0.04m)(2kg)(9.8ms-2) = 0.784 Nm. Do you agree?

And then what is the force exerted on the forearm by the rest of the arm at the elbow(pivot) if the forearm is stationary and in equilibrium?

Thank a lot. Good Bye

Billy
 
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Torque (moments) is all relative to where you set your datum. So for instance, if you set your datum to be the end from which the dimensions are measured from, you'll get a torque of:

F*d(distance to force from datum)

F = the force due to gravity...i.e. 2kg*9.81m/s^2 = 19.62 N
d = 15 cm = .15 m

So therefore the torque would be 19.62*.15 = 2.943 N*m
 
Oh, and your acceleration of (9.81 - 2) is kind of odd. I'm not sure where you're getting the -2 from, seeing as how acceleration of gravity will always be 9.81 (generally speaking).
 
Thank very much. The mass of the object is 2 kg. Good Bye
 
Last question, how do we calculate the magnitude of the horizontal component of the force exerted on the forearm by the rest of the arm when the foream is horizontal? Thank a lot.
 

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