Finding the max length of a spring

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a spring and a mass (a clay ball) that affects the spring's length when dropped. The context includes calculating the spring constant and understanding the energy transformations involved when the ball impacts the pan.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the spring constant and its application in determining the maximum length of the spring when the clay ball is dropped. Questions arise regarding the relationship between spring force, kinetic energy, and potential energy.

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Some participants are exploring the relationship between kinetic energy and spring potential energy, while others are questioning the validity of the equations used in the calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Participants are working with specific measurements and conditions, such as the initial positions of the pan and the mass of the clay ball. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the spring constant and the energy equations.

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A massless pan hangs from a spring that is suspended from the ceiling. When empty, the pan is 49 cm below the ceiling. If a 75 g clay ball is placed gently on the pan, the pan hangs 60 cm below the ceiling. Suppose the clay ball is dropped from the ceiling onto an empty pan. What is the pan's distance from the ceiling when the spring reaches its maximum length?
first i did k = .735/.11 = 66.8181
then i used k = mgh/d to find the max length
which was 66.8181 = 3.6015/d and got d = 5.39 but that wasn't the correct answer. can somebody help me with what i am doing wrong?
 
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DStan27 said:
A massless pan hangs from a spring that is suspended from the ceiling. When empty, the pan is 49 cm below the ceiling. If a 75 g clay ball is placed gently on the pan, the pan hangs 60 cm below the ceiling. Suppose the clay ball is dropped from the ceiling onto an empty pan. What is the pan's distance from the ceiling when the spring reaches its maximum length?
first i did k = .735/.11 = 66.8181
then i used k = mgh/d to find the max length
which was 66.8181 = 3.6015/d and got d = 5.39 but that wasn't the correct answer. can somebody help me with what i am doing wrong?

Why k = mgh/d?
 
h = 0.49 + d
 
From the first part of the question, you can determine the spring constant. When the clay ball is just about to hit the pan, what is its kinetic energy? When the spring reaches maximum length, what is the kinetic energy of the clay ball? Zero. So, all the kinetic energy has been converted to spring potential energy. Since you already know the spring constant, can you tell how much it has to extend from its equilibrium position to have a potential energy equal to the kinetic energy of the ball?
 

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