Recent content by rgoudie

Good question. I might add the following: would there be any immorality is those same beings collected the entire population of humans and kept them herded in order to process them in the most efficient manner? My answer is "yes" on all counts. -Ray.

When I became a vegetarian in 1996, it was because of ethical reasons; the very same reasons that I have been spouting in this thread. I had effectively boycotted meat because of the obscenities in factory farming. As an aside, I am also enjoying the health benefits, but I am not debating that...

Well, chimpanzees also scratch their butts and smell their fingers. :wink: Does your statement imply that you expect to be able to at least do what a chimpanzee does, or at most do what a chimpanzee does? In any case, I don't believe that chimpanzees hoard entire species of animals so...

Not at all. I was just hazarding a guess. :-p -Ray.

Could it be that this anger that you are feeling is due to the fact that, deep down, you somewhat agree with what is being written, however your ego is refusing to acknowledge it and this is causing conflict within yourself that was targeted towards the source of these conflicting feelings? -Ray.

With all due respect, your blindness is becoming rather irritating. :cry: He doesn't need to grant animals rights, since they inherently possesses them by default. It is the humans that have been depriving animals of their rights. Since humans did not create the Universe and its contents...

I don't believe for one second that you are going out into the woods and shooting one individual and bringing it home. You buy your meat from your local supermarket just like most other meat-eaters. If you actually did go out and hunt your own food, then you would have appended such to your...

Your message was well received. I agree with you 100% that balance is what is missing. Do you believe that it is balanced to hoard entire species of animals for the sake of profit and convenience? -Ray.

Russ, you seem to be setting me up for the obvious reply. :smile: Just because humans decide that animals have lesser rights, doesn't make it so. How do you substantiate your position? -Ray.

So, you must admit that you could not care less about the plight of the life forms that often suffer so that you can have quick access to your favourite carcass? :biggrin: Again, going too far is relative, since I believe that humans have gone five orders overboard with their current...

Imagine, then, if veggies collected the entire lot of you meat-eaters and held you all hostage in pens. Would that be taking it an insane step too far? Well, this is what arrogant humans have done, and are doing, with a number of species. This is not really a question of beliefs, such as I...

Probably the same presumptions that give you the right to tell other species how to live and die. -Ray.

Hows about freedom of choice, indeed! How dare you hold an entire species hostage just so you can have the convenience of driving to your local supermarket to purchase the processed flesh of these hostage species? What freedom do these species possess? Is this not arrogant of humans to be...

Is that so? :rolleyes: Think about what you just wrote. -Ray.

Almost everyone knows how to open a combination lock. :) -Ray.