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    Undergrad Landau, volume 1, chapter 1, problem 4: Lagrangian of a somewhat complex system

    I just thought about something. I am new to Landau and I am not familiar with his style. When he writes the displacement as ##dl_1^2 =a^2 d\theta^2 + a^2 sin^2 \theta d\phi^2##, perhaps this is not meant to be an intermediate step towards the final solution, but just a helpful statement?
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    Undergrad Landau, volume 1, chapter 1, problem 4: Lagrangian of a somewhat complex system

    This problem has been addressed before under https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/trouble-understanding-coordinates-for-the-lagrangian.1006528/ I also copied the following problem statement with Landau's very sketchy solution from this old post, because I don't have the English edition of the...
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    In any case, this is my first reading of the text, and I am satisfied that I can show that ##\vec v## is constant when I assume that the Lagrangian is known. I don't need to show it for an arbitrary function ##L(v^2)## at this point. I may come back to it later, but now I must move on. Thank you...
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    @Vincf already had a counter example in #5.
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    The fact that dL/dv is constant was never the question. The question was why v is constant.
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    This would be my next problem: I don't understand the paragraph before equation 4.1. But like I already wrote, my head is already spinning, mostly because of problem 3, and it looks like I won't be able to understand anything more today.
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    I also tried out several different functions for ##L(v^2)##, but I found that the velocity was constant for all of them. You apparently found one for which this is not the case. When Landau writes that the Lagrangian can only be a function of the square of the velocity, he actually does not...
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    Yes, I know, but PeroK's suggestion is one way to see why the velocity would have to be constant (provided I already know the form of the Lagrangian). Landau must have had something else in mind.
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    I just wanted to ask why on earth the Lagrangian would be ##L=\sqrt {v_x^2 +v_y^2 +v_z^2}##, when I discovered that you had changed that. I spent quite a while this morning trying to work through the problems at the end of chapter 1, and my head was already spinning. This Lagrangian really...
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    Thank you, that is an interesting trick with the ratios. It is not likely that I would have thought of it. I suppose you know how to do it? Because I don't.
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    This question does not seem to evoke a lot of interest. Could somebody just tell me if it is legitimate to write ##\frac{d}{d\vec v}(\vec v \cdot \vec v)=2\vec v##? I.e. I wonder if I can take the derivative directly with respect to the vector as a whole or if I must take the derivative...
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    Undergrad Velocity of a free particle using Landau's approach

    I have begun reading Landau's Mechanics. In chapter 1, §3 he writes ##\frac {\partial L} {\partial \vec v}=const.##, where ##L## is a function of ##v^2##: ##L=L(v^2)##. He then writes that from this it follows that ##\vec v=const.## I want to try to show formally that v is constant, but I am...
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    Undergrad Potential energy of a system of particles

    Thank you. This is it. It is not even new to me. I read about it probably more than once, but I had completely forgotten about it. This shows what happens when you just read physics texts without doing problems.
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    Undergrad Potential energy of a system of particles

    One more comment to show where exactly my problem lies: Potential energy is defined at a specific position. A System does not have a specific position. How then can I define/understand what the potential energy of a system would be?
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    Undergrad Potential energy of a system of particles

    Here is the solution: The kinetic and potential energies of the system are $$U_k=2\cdot\frac{1}{2}mv^2=mv^2,~~~U_p=-\frac{Gm^2}{2r}.$$ To show how these are related, apply Newton's second law to the motion of one of the particles: $$F=ma\Rightarrow \frac{Gm^2}{(2r)^2}=m\frac{v^2}{r}.$$ Multiply...