News Is Anyone Truly in Control Amidst the Ukrainian Crisis?

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The discussion highlights the chaotic situation in Ukraine, questioning who truly controls the protests and the government amidst escalating violence, particularly in Kiev. It notes the deep cultural and political divisions within Ukraine, with significant pro-Russian sentiments in the east and pro-European aspirations in the west. The conversation reflects on the lack of strong U.S. support for the protesters compared to past interventions during the Orange Revolution. Participants express skepticism about the motivations behind the protests, suggesting they may be influenced by foreign interests and local radicals. The overall sentiment is one of uncertainty regarding the future of Ukraine, with concerns about potential power struggles and external influences.
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"United Nations: The Netherlands, Malaysia and three other countries want a UN tribunal to be set up to try those responsible for the downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight over Ukraine last year, a senior diplomat said Wednesday.

Malaysia is expected to present a draft resolution to the Security Council next month on setting up the tribunal, said the diplomat, who asked not to be named."
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...or-un-tribunal-for-mh17-culprits_1619485.html

Sure, Russian can veto it... Just such veto would look even more like admission of guilt.
 
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Czcibor said:
"United Nations: The Netherlands, Malaysia and three other countries want a UN tribunal to be set up to try those responsible for the downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight over Ukraine last year, a senior diplomat said Wednesday.

Malaysia is expected to present a draft resolution to the Security Council next month on setting up the tribunal, said the diplomat, who asked not to be named."
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...or-un-tribunal-for-mh17-culprits_1619485.html

Sure, Russian can veto it... Just such veto would look even more like admission of guilt.

Nevermind the investigation. The truth is what we say it is. Might makes right. Our means are justified by our ends. :rolleyes:
 
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Sweden found a tiny Russian submarine. Officially Swedes are worried: "The submarine is completely intact, has no visible damage to the hull and the hatches are closed. Therefore we do fear that the crew has not been able to save themselves when the sub went down".
 
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Russia on Wednesday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution that would set up an international criminal court to prosecute those responsible for shooting down a Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine a year ago.

[...]

Three countries abstained from the vote: China, Angola and Venezuela, whose ambassador said victims' suffering shouldn't be used politically.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/russian-veto-expected-security-council-votes-mh17-32748771As I've seen on one Polish forum:
Since when a criminal decides whether to be judged or not?
Since he has nukes
 
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Czcibor said:
5.1) Did Germans surrendered in WW2 on 8th May or 9th May?

The West said the surrender was one minute before midnight, USSR said one minute after.
 
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Hornbein said:
The West said the surrender was one minute before midnight, USSR said one minute after.

More complicated. Because Russians intended to use caught Germans as slaves, Germans tried to surrender to West, while military delay Soviet advances. The result was that first surrender to the West was signed on the 7th, while effective on 8th. Soviets demand for PR reasons also a surrender to them, thus they insisted on 9th.

Of course, when now history is being weaponized such minor date difference matters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender
 
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There was already year ago a poll showing that first time in history (or from at least many years) there is a slight majority in Sweden for joining NATO:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/us-sweden-nato-idUSKBN0II1XN20141029

Recent polls show that it was not a fluke:
http://www.thelocal.se/20150914/poll-more-swedes-now-for-nato-than-against

So far split society. It would be a quite good job of Putin if he manage annoy Swedes enough to make them officially drop their sacred, semi-neutrality.
 
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Annoyance? You think that is the best description of Swedish sentiment regards Putin's Russia?
 
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A small correction, the guy who was kidnapped is the local equivalent (it's a small country) of an FBI/CIA officer, not a border guard.

Yes, its quite an application of force by Russia towards a NATO country. If your guy gets caught doing illegal spying, you kidnap their guy from their country (by literally crossing the border and kidnapping someone) and then do an exchange.
 

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