Making a Meal Out of Peppers and Spices

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The discussion revolves around cooking with a variety of peppers and spices, focusing on the preparation of Szechuan-style meals. Participants share their ingredients, cooking experiences, and thoughts on improvisation in cooking without strict adherence to recipes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants list various ingredients they have, including different types of peppers, garlic, ginger, and spices, suggesting a foundation for Szechuan cooking.
  • Some participants express frustration with the need for specific ingredients, such as Sichuan pepper, to achieve authentic Szechuan flavors.
  • There is a suggestion that cooking does not always require strict recipes, and improvisation can lead to successful meals.
  • One participant shares a detailed cooking method for a wok meal, emphasizing the importance of timing and personal taste in the cooking process.
  • Concerns are raised about the availability of ingredients and the challenge of cooking without them, leading to feelings of inadequacy in cooking skills.
  • Some participants encourage others to embrace the cooking process and not be deterred by the fear of failure.

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Participants express a mix of agreement on the importance of improvisation in cooking, while also highlighting the necessity of certain ingredients for authentic Szechuan dishes. There is no consensus on the best approach to cooking with the listed ingredients, and some participants remain frustrated with their cooking abilities.

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Participants mention the challenge of substituting ingredients and the emotional impact of cooking experiences, indicating that personal preferences and cultural backgrounds influence their cooking styles and expectations.

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Individuals interested in cooking, particularly those exploring Szechuan cuisine or looking to improve their improvisational cooking skills, may find this discussion beneficial.

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So what to make of this little lot? I have.

Red, green, yellow peppers
Sweet pointed peppers
Birds eye chillies
Finger chillies
Scotch bonnet chillies
Garlic
Ginger and stem ginger
Hot chilli powder
Mixed chilli jalapenos
Jasmin rice
fish sauce
Red onions
Toasted sesame oil
Infused chilli oil
Sirloin steak
Some veg
plus loads of spices.
 
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wolram said:
So what to make of this little lot? I have.

Red, green, yellow peppers
Sweet pointed peppers
Birds eye chillies
Finger chillies
Scotch bonnet chillies
Garlic
Ginger and stem ginger
Hot chilli powder
Mixed chilli jalapenos
Jasmin rice
fish sauce
Red onions
Toasted sesame oil
Infused chilli oil
Sirloin steak
Some veg
plus loads of spices.
Sounds like the great start to some szechuan cooking. :smile:
 
Evo said:
Sounds like the great start to some szechuan cooking. :smile:

I have watched some progs with Ken Hom or some such name, but that was years ago,
may be you have some of Szechuans recipes?
 
wolram said:
I have watched some progs with Ken Hom or some such name, but that was years ago,
may be you have some of Szechuans recipes?
I will dig some up for you.
 
The Szechuan kitchen would not exist without the essential ingredient http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Zant_pip.html :rolleyes:

So even more shopping needed.
 
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Andre said:
The Szechuan kitchen would not exist without the essential ingredient http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Zant_pip.html :rolleyes:

So even more shopping needed.

I give up, no matter how many things i get there is all ways some thing else, well i went my own way, the flavour was heaven , but my innards did not like it, i feel like i have been shot in the guts with, some nasty thing.
 
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Andre said:
The Szechuan kitchen would not exist without the essential ingredient http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Zant_pip.html :rolleyes:

So even more shopping needed.
I was going to tell him about those.

Strikes Andre down with a bolt of lightning

Sorry, Andre, there are some things I just can't overlook. :wink:
 
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Ok, no matter how i hard i try, i am not a good cook, there is all ways some thing i do not have that can not be substituted for some other thing, it makes me so angry, i have a vast pantry, that is all ways lacking, grrrrr, i wish i knew a good cook.
 
Woolie, it doesn't look like you're going to get much help from this crowd, so here goes. We don't use recipes for wok-meals, and you don't need to, either. It's like learning how to ride a bike - once you've done it a few times, you won't forget the basics, and you'll be eager to try new stuff.

Steam some rice. Cut your steak into thin bite-sized strips. Process one or two of your hotter peppers with the cloves from one or two bulbs of garlic. Depending on your liking for garlic/chili peppers, you may want to process them very finely, or leave them a bit more chunky. Cut up all the vegetables that you might want to add to your dish, and keep them in separate bowls so you can add them at different times. Carrots take longer to cook than green pepper, celery and onions, and they take a little longer to cook than mushrooms, for instance.

Put a little peanut oil in your wok and bring it up to heat until the oil just starts to smoke, and add the meat, and the mix of finely-chopped garlic and peppers. Some salt and black pepper would be good at this time, as well as some chili oil. Watch the heat. You don't want your oil to smoke too much, but you want to brown the meat and carmelize the juices from the garlic to get a rich nutty taste. Depending on how crunchy you want your carrots, you can add them at the same time the beef goes in (softer carrots), or you can give the beef a bit of a head-start (firmer carrots). Keep the mixture moving in the wok, and add the softer vegetables after a couple of minutes (mushrooms last). Pull out a bit of the mix during cooking (since you haven't done this before) and taste, to see what might be "missing" - your chance to be creative. You might think that the hotness needs to be punched up (Maybe cayenne or extra chili oil), or maybe you'd like the richness of freshly grated ginger root, or maybe the dish calls out for a nice hot/rich curry. It's all up to you. If you add wine or other watery liquid to the sauce, it might strip some of the dark seasoning layer off the wok. That's not much of a big deal to me. If you think that the dish could stand a splash of wine, go for it. Serve on a bed of rice and eat away.

Once you get the hang of "winging it" with wok cooking, you'll get a mental cookbook going. You might think that the carrots taste wonderful with fresh ginger, but that if you've got a lot of green peppers and onions that you want to use up, your tastes might run toward curry as a main seasoning. I mention those choices, because personally, if I have left-over poultry to cook up, I lean to onions, green pepper, and curry, and with a meal made with fresh beef, I tend to run to vegetables with longer cook-times, like carrots, and I like ginger with carrots (don't know why, sorry!).

Good luck, and just Go For It! What's the worst that can happen? You'll end up with some left-overs that aren't world-class. You might luck out the first time and come up with a meal that is to die for, and then they'll only get better as you gain experience and develop a feel for what combinations most appeal to you.
 
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Evo said:
Strikes Andre down with a bolt of lightning


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wolram said:
Ok, no matter how i hard i try, i am not a good cook, there is all ways some thing i do not have that can not be substituted for some other thing, it makes me so angry, i have a vast pantry, that is all ways lacking, grrrrr, i wish i knew a good cook.

Relax Wolram, There is a bright sight. Without Sichuan pepper you don't have a Szechuan kitchen, just something else. A fine angelsaksian kitchen for instance. That's all. Consider that now with this thread you have expanded your knowledge on Eastern kitchens tremendously. You may discover many things you never would have.

And Turbo-1 is right, just go ahead and do it. Don't be afraid.
 
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Andre said:
And Turbo-1 is right, just go ahead and do it. Don't be afraid.
Fear paralyzes people who might otherwise be good cooks. They put themselves down, and criticize their own cooking because they tried following a recipe and it came out blah or just plain crappy. News flash! There are a LOT of really crappy recipes out there (and some that are just so-so) that will never taste great no matter how slavishly you follow them. As for the ethnic variations of "Chinese" food that show up in restaurants around the world, well, a lot of that is fiction. Probably some of the best meals served in China are whipped up by people who managed to score a nice fresh fish, some crispy bok-choi and some another vegetable or two. You don't need a huge larder to make wonderful food, but you do need to have a willingness to say "this is what I have today - now what is the evening meal going to be?"

I am of French-Canadian-Native American heritage on my mother's side and German-Irish-Native American on my father's side, and our favorite family recipes often reflect the need to use foods that have good storage-life in the winter and exploit abundances of wild/home-gardened foods with poor storage qualities as they became more abundant in the summer and fall. The fact that my parents grew up during the depression and never wasted anything probably helped, too. We lived frugally, and ate like kings.

My appreciation for Chinese-style cooking emanates from this upbringing. If you currently have an abundance of green beans, baby beets, and new potatoes, find a way to make them not only palatable, but wonderful. If you substitute a couple of big cast-iron frying pans and a stainless-steel pot for the wok, the there is little difference in style. Watching my mother throw together a gourmet meal from the most modest ingredients was like watching Martha Graham dance.
 
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Andre said:
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Relax Wolram, There is a bright sight. Without Sichuan pepper you don't have a Szechuan kitchen, just something else. A fine angelsaksian kitchen for instance. That's all. Consider that now with this thread you have expanded your knowledge on Eastern kitchens tremendously. You may discover many things you never would have.

And Turbo-1 is right, just go ahead and do it. Don't be afraid.

I have a kitchen from hell, when put the chill is in the pan it was like a gas attack, i had to run outside, i was coughing for 10 minutes.
 
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wolram said:
I have a kitchen from hell, when put the chill is in the pan it was like a gas attack, i had to run outside, i was coughing for 10 minutes.
Heat tends to "weaponize" chilies and if you are not used to working with the real hot ones, it can be irritating. When I'm making habanero relishes, the kitchen is a zippy place to be. In retrospect, I should have warned you not to lean over the wok when you add chilies to the hot oil. You probably got a pretty good shot of the hot stuff when you did that. Sorry...:frown:
 
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turbo-1 said:
Heat tends to "weaponize" chilies and if you are not used to working with the real hot ones, it can be irritating. When I'm making habanero relishes, the kitchen is a zippy place to be. In retrospect, I should have warned you not to lean over the wok when you add chilies to the hot oil. You probably got a pretty good shot of the hot stuff when you did that. Sorry...:frown:

Hey i have to learn and the hard way is the quickest, so no way say sorry, i must admit my guardian angel has to work overtime.
 
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wolram said:
Hey i have to learn and the hard way is the quickest, so no way say sorry, i must admit my guardian angel has to work overtime.
Well, I'm still sorry. Adding hot chilies like habaneros, scotch bonnets, etc to hot oil (ESPECIALLY if they are finely-divided and juicy) releases capsaicin pretty liberally. I'm pretty used to handling chilies and never gave it a thought.