Will the Einstein Ring Change as the Mass Moves Towards the Observer?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of an Einstein ring when a massive object moves towards an observer. Participants explore the implications of this movement on the angular diameter of the ring, considering both theoretical and hypothetical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Hypothetical scenario

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that as a mass moves radially towards the observer, the Einstein ring would grow in angular diameter, based on the time derivative of the angle of lensing.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while the increase in the size of the ring would likely be too small to measure within a human lifetime, there would still be a measurable change.
  • A later reply indicates that for a hypothetical scenario, the timing of such changes is not a concern, as it is for a story rather than a real-life observation.
  • Another participant notes that any energetic event capable of altering the motion of a mass sufficient to create an Einstein ring would also produce noticeable gravitational effects, suggesting that other phenomena might be observed alongside the ring's change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the potential changes to the Einstein ring, with some acknowledging the hypothetical nature of the discussion. There is no consensus on the specific measurable effects or the implications of gravitational influences.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the speed of the moving mass or the scale of observable changes. The implications of gravitational effects on the observer's perception of the Einstein ring remain open-ended.

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If I was looking at a self-luminous object, and all of a sudden a great pass appeared directly between me and the object, in the line of sight between me and it, I could potentially see an Einstein ring.

Q: If that mass then started moving radially towards me (distance to self-luminous source behind it remains the same), what would happen to the Einstein ring?

My intuition says that the ring with grow in angular diameter as the intermittent mass approaches me - (I think this due to taking the time derivative of the angle of lensing, and assuming the lens is approachign me at a certain constant speed). Does this seem right?
 
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If I was looking at a self-luminous object, and all of a sudden a great pass appeared directly between me and the object, in the line of sight between me and it, I could potentially see an Einstein ring.

Q: If that mass then started moving radially towards me (distance to self-luminous source behind it remains the same), what would happen to the Einstein ring?

My intuition says that the ring with grow in angular diameter as the intermittent mass approaches me - (I think this due to taking the time derivative of the angle of lensing, and assuming the lens is approachign me at a certain constant speed). Does this seem right?
Given the size of objects that are massive enough to create Einstein Rings, it's not likely to move towards you at a speed (or even a recession velocity) that would show much change during your lifetime, but yes there would be a (probably too small to measure) increase in the size of the ring.
 
Awesome, thank you! I needed it more as a hypothetical for a short story I'm writing so it's OK if it doesn't happen on single human lifescales :)
 
It's worth noting that anything energetic enough to change the motion of a mass big enough to cause an Einstein ring will produce noticeable gravitational effects itself. So you might well see other effects.
 

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