Uncontinuous Motion: Nature's Examples

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The discussion centers on the concept of discontinuous motion in nature, specifically exploring whether examples exist where the functions for acceleration, velocity, and position are not continuous. Participants examine theoretical implications and real-world phenomena related to this topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the existence of discontinuous motion in nature, seeking examples where the functions a(t), v(t), and x(t) are not continuous.
  • Another participant argues that while discontinuities in acceleration (a(t)) can occur, they do not imply discontinuous motion, as the overall motion remains continuous.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that discontinuities in velocity (v(t)) and position (x(t)) imply infinite values, which are deemed impossible, thus challenging the notion of discontinuous motion.
  • One participant introduces the concept of shock waves as an example of discontinuous velocity, explaining that the velocity of a gas changes drastically across the shock wave, creating a surface of discontinuity.
  • There is a discussion about the assumptions made in physics regarding continuity, with one participant suggesting that mathematical conditions are often approximated rather than strictly adhered to.
  • Another participant raises a question about the initial conditions of projectile motion and the transition of acceleration, indicating a potential discontinuity in the acceleration experienced by an object when thrown.
  • A participant questions the term "balloon value," indicating a need for clarification on the terminology used in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and implications of discontinuous motion, with no consensus reached on the validity of examples or the nature of discontinuities in motion.

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Participants highlight limitations in the discussion, including assumptions about continuity in physical models and the mathematical treatment of discontinuities in various contexts.

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Discontinuous motion

I've got a short curiosity question:
Are there in nature examples for discontinuos motion, that is when the functions a(t), v(t), x(t) are not continuous? Is there anything of this sort?
 
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Discontinuities in x(t) imply infinite velocity (impossible).
Discontinuities in v(t) imply infinite force (impossible).
Discontinuities in a(t) occur all the time. The motion of such a body still remains continuous however.

Claude.
 
Claude Bile said:
Discontinuities in a(t) occur all the time. The motion of such a body still remains continuous however.
Claude.


Physicists while giving equations always satisfy mathematical conditions. but they just approximate them when they cannot help to find the actual value. what you said above is suich an example. it is not mathematically correct that discontinuity occurs in a(t).

in that way there is dicontinuity even in velocity as well as displacement.
in projectile equation can there be an initial velocity to the object without acceleration if it is projected. if you say it is due to the movement of hands before throwing, then after the throw the acceleration which while throwing has a value has to reach zero.

much more familiar is the case of free fall. you may have seen questions like a balloon or elevator going up at a constant acceleratin and a stone being dropped from it. there we just find time by the second kinematical equation. we neglect the time taken for the acceleration to reach g from the balloon value.
 
It depends

I will give an example of discontinuos velocity related to shock waves.
When a gas with initial velocity u0 is shocked its velocity changes drastically across the shock wave (surface of discontinuity) to u1. The velocity is discontinuos here for any time t (at the position of the shock), u0 in front of the shock and u1 behind it. The same applies for the density and other properties.

Of course that is because the width of the shock front is assumed to be depictable, i.e, it is modeled as a surface in 3D. In reality it has a short but finite length and severe fast (but continuos )changes occur there. Nevertheless, this is generally ignored because of the scale in time and space in which this changes occur. People working in this field deal everyday with discontinuos velocities, in fact, the hydrodynamical equations admit discontinuos solutions.

So at least as a mathematical way of modeling physical phenomena, yes discontinuos velocites are possible. Because this 'models reality' better than continuos approximations for certain cases. Until Today.
 
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vaishakh said:
we neglect the time taken for the acceleration to reach g from the balloon value.

balloon value?
 

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