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pervect
Jan24-06, 03:47 PM
I've been trying to express the Komar mass formula in component notation for a general static metric.
I'm finding that the expression for
\nabla_c \xi_d
is reasonably simple, where \xi^{\mu} is a timelike Killing vector, but the formula calls for
\epsilon_{abcd} \nabla^c \xi^d
and this is very messy.
(We have to integrate the above two-form over some surface to get the mass and multiply by an appropriate constant).
Is it kosher to re-write the formula for the Komar mass as
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon^{abcd} \nabla_c \xi_d
and to do so, would I be expressing the surface to be integrated by one-forms rather than vectors?
George Jones
Jan28-06, 08:31 AM
I only know a little about integration with differential forms, so my comments may be well wide of the mark and/or not very useful.
Are you trying to do the integral, or are just trying to get a component expression under the integral sign?
I have a vague idea what
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon_{abcd} \nabla^c \xi^d
means, but I don't know what
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon^{abcd} \nabla_c \xi_d
means.
Could you leave things in the form
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon_{abcd} g^{ec} g^{fd} \nabla_{e} \xi_{f}?
Regards,
George
pervect
Jan28-06, 02:04 PM
I only know a little about integration with differential forms, so my comments may be well wide of the mark and/or not very useful.
Are you trying to do the integral, or are just trying to get a component expression under the integral sign?
I have a vague idea what
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon_{abcd} \nabla^c \xi^d
means, but I don't know what
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon^{abcd} \nabla_c \xi_d
means.
Could you leave things in the form
-\frac{1}{8 \pi} \int_S \epsilon_{abcd} g^{ec} g^{fd} \nabla_{e} \xi_{f}?
Regards,
George
What I'm trying to do is to explain the Komar intergal conceptually, and relate it to Gauss's law.
The ideal explanation would be detailed enough to allow someone to compute the correct answer to the intergal (at least in a simple enough case), without knowing any more than advanced calculus (i.e. they wouldn't need to know about covariant derivatives or Killing vectors).
We can get rid of Killing vectors by insisting on a static space-time, i.e. we have metric coefficients that are not functions of time.
To actually carry out the intergal, for example in the Schwarzschild metric, I work by rote. We find that \nabla^a \xi^b is equal to
m/r^2 dr \wedge dt
Multiplying it by the Levi-Civita tensor essentally takes the dual, so we now have
m/r^2 \sqrt{g} d\theta \wedge d\phi
Substituting sqrt(g) = r^2 |sin(theta)| gives us the intergal
\int_0^{2 \pi} \int_0^{2 \pi} (m/r^2) r^2 |sin(\theta)| d\theta d\phi
which gives the right answer for the mass, modulo the sign issue.
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