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me_duele_cabeza
Jan31-06, 12:46 AM
EDIT: Thanks Hootenanny and Doc Al for looking and trying the problem. I figured out my mistake h_2 = h - \frac{h}{n} not h_2 = 1- \frac{h}{n}

I've been working on this for a sick amount of time, please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong...

The question is:

Spiderman steps from the top of a tall building. He falls freely from rest to the ground a distance of h. He falls a distance of \frac{h}{n} in the last interval of time of ∆t of his fall. What is the height h of the building?

There's probably a much easier way to approach this but this is what I did (yea, there's room for alot of error):

I made h_1 = \frac{h}{n} and h_2 = 1- \frac{h}{n}

V_{final}^2 = 2gh_2
V_{final} = \sqrt{2gh_2}

since Vfinal from 0 to 1- h/n is equal to Vinitial from h/n to h...

0 = h_1 + \sqrt{2gh_2} \Delta t - 0.5g\Delta t^2\\
0.5g\Delta t^2 - h_1 = \sqrt{2gh_2} \Delta t
0.5g\Delta t - \frac{h_1}{\Delta t} = \sqrt{2gh_2}
(0.5g\Delta t - \frac{h_1}{\Delta t})^2 = 2gh_2
0.25g^2\Delta t^2 - gh_1 + \frac{h_1^2}{\Delta t^2} = 2gh_2

I set \beta = 0.25g^2\Delta t^2 and plug in the values for h1 and h2

\beta - \frac{g}{n} h + \frac{1}{\Delta t^2 n^2} h^2 = 2g - \frac{2gh}{n}
(\beta - 2g) + \frac{g}{n}h + \frac{1}{\Delta t^2 n^2} h^2 = 0

Ah^2 +Bh +C = 0
A = \frac{1}{\Delta t^2 n^2}
B = \frac{g}{n}
C = 0.25g^2\Delta t^2 -2g

and then I solved the quadratic. um, extremely incorrect...I was able to check my answer because the same problem was written as:

"Spiderman steps from the top of a tall building. He falls freely from rest to the ground a distance of h. He falls a distance of h/4 in the last interval of time of 1.0 sec of his fall. What is the height h of the building?"

in another source and the answer is h = 270m

Thanks in advance :)

Hootenanny
Jan31-06, 02:50 AM
Try using v^2 = u^2 + 2as
where v = final velocity, u = initial velocity, a = acceleration = g, s = displacement = h
using your working above you could sub v^2 = 2gh into the above equation.
Edit: Just a note to say that this solution neglects air resistance.

me_duele_cabeza
Jan31-06, 08:15 AM
Thanks for replying.

That is the equation I used in the first step; should I be using it again somewhere else?

I guess I forgot to mention that we have only learned one dimensional motion and vectors so air resistance is still being ignored in all the problems.

Doc Al
Jan31-06, 08:41 AM
Try using the kinematic formula relating distance and time:
s = 1/2 a t^2

me_duele_cabeza
Jan31-06, 10:01 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. I actually just figured out what I did wrong ( h_2 = h - \frac{h}{n} not h_2 = 1 - \frac{h}{n}). :P

ultimatedisc2
Jan23-08, 03:08 PM
My question:
Spiderman steps from the top of a tall building. He falls freely from rest to the ground a distance of h. He falls a distance of h/ 3 in the last interval of time of 1.0 s of his fall.

I technically have the same problem, however a different n value. I am trying the solution here (obviously with 3 not 4) and can not find the correct answer... any suggestions? thanks alot

ultimatedisc2
Jan23-08, 03:33 PM
Scratch that, I was able to rearrange it and understand.

For a h/3 with a time of 1 sec the answer is 150...