Russian Proverb: "Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela

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The discussion revolves around the Russian proverb "Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela," which translates to "To the success of our hopeless task." Participants explore the meaning and implications of this proverb, along with other proverbs and quotes from various cultures and thinkers. The scope includes reflections on the nature of proverbs versus inspirational quotes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for the Russian proverb and its meaning, while others share similar proverbs from different cultures.
  • A few participants question whether the quotes shared are truly proverbs or more accurately classified as inspirational quotations.
  • One participant highlights a Russian proverb about perception and problem-solving, suggesting that specialists may diagnose based on their expertise.
  • Several quotes are presented by participants, including those from notable figures like Confucius, Cicero, and Abraham Lincoln, which may not fit the traditional definition of a proverb.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of proverbs, with one participant providing definitions and distinctions between proverbs, maxims, and epigrams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether all the shared statements qualify as proverbs, indicating a mix of agreement and disagreement on the definitions and classifications of the quotes presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of translations and the historical context of the proverbs. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the definitions of proverbs versus other forms of sayings.

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Readers interested in linguistics, cultural expressions, or the philosophical implications of proverbs and quotes may find this discussion engaging.

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I just found the Russian version of one of my favorites:

"Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela."

It's a Russian proverb meaning,

"To the success of our hopeless task."

(Sorry if I wounded the spelling or the history.)
 
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jhe1984 said:
I just found the Russian version of one of my favorites:

"Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela."

It's a Russian proverb meaning,

"To the success of our hopeless task."

(Sorry if I wounded the spelling or the history.)


I must put that up in our workshop, oh for a week without water damaged
electrics.
 
This thread - "this is like déjà vu all over again". (Yogi Berra) :smile:
 
I highly respect Confucius' Quotes:

-It is only the wisest and the stupidest that cannot change.

-It does not matter how slowly you go, as long as you do not stop.

-Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.

-Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
 
"strike while the iron is hot" -- japanese proverb

"if the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see everything as a nail" -- russian proverb
 
jhe1984 said:
I just found the Russian version of one of my favorites:

"Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela."


So what you're really saying is:

"За успеха нашево безнадёжнова дела" :redface:

Well, here are some quotes I like:

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin, Descent of Man

You start with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck. --Anonymous(?)

"Here is Washington, we are looking at another round of teacher strikes because they want us to pay them more. And the literature they give us explaining their views contains so many errors in grammar and spelling that it really makes you wonder why we pay them at all." -- From an email of some reader of Thomas Sowell

A natura hominis discenda est natura juris.
---Cicero

"Nothing is changed by spending more if the context and incentives within which the schools operate is not changed." --1994 Brunner Report

"If you know a little about everything you may end up not knowing enough about anything." -from https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=860001#post860001 (yes, from PF)

"Having opinions without knowledge is not of much value; not knowing the difference between them is a positive indicator of ignorance." --Professor Diane Ravitch

"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." Abraham Lincoln (March 21, 1864)
 
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jhe1984 said:
I just found the Russian version of one of my favorites:

"Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela."

It's a Russian proverb meaning,

"To the success of our hopeless task."

(Sorry if I wounded the spelling or the history.)


Haha I love that!
 
i don't know that all these are proverbs; they seem more like inspirational quotations. anyway here are a couple more that i like:

"time & i against any other two" -- baltasar gracian

"Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also." -- marcus aurelius
 
fourier jr said:
"if the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see everything as a nail" -- russian proverb

There is an elderly friend of the family who has endured a couple of decades of serious health problems. He states with absolute conviction that doctors diagnose according to their specialty. If you see a surgeon, he will likely recommend surgery. If you see a Neurologist, expect a diagnosis of a neurological disorder, etc.
 
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fourier jr said:
i don't know that all these are proverbs; they seem more like inspirational quotations.

replying to myself :rolleyes:
maybe those /\ are at least "of proverbial nature"

maxim:
1 : a general truth, fundamental principle, or rule of conduct
2 : a saying of proverbial nature

proverb:
1 : a brief popular epigram or maxim

epigram:
2 : a terse, sage, or witty and often paradoxical saying

www.m-w.com
 
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''The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Any fame is a bi-product of making something that means something. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a sh!t''
 

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