A Thought about Illegal Immigration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications and potential solutions regarding illegal immigration in a nation. Participants explore various perspectives on whether to expel illegal immigrants or provide a pathway to legal status, as well as the effectiveness of proposed measures to address the issue.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that allowing illegal immigration could lead to a nation becoming an "illegal nation," resulting in economic and political collapse.
  • There are contrasting views on whether to expel illegal immigrants or to legalize their status, with some suggesting that making them legal could legitimize the country.
  • One participant proposes a strict approach involving sealing borders, requiring illegal immigrants to leave and reapply legally, and managing the number of legal immigrants based on employer needs.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of expelling all illegal immigrants, comparing it to the ineffective war on drugs.
  • Some participants highlight the complexities of immigration policies in different countries, such as the situation in England regarding asylum seekers.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of enforcing immigration laws and the practicality of proposed solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions without reaching a consensus. There are competing views on the best approach to illegal immigration, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the current state of immigration and the role of government, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or clarified.

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If a Nation allows itself to become filled with Illegal immigrants, then that Nation will become an ILLEGAL NATION. It will then "collapse" from within, both economically and politically.
 
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So do you expel the illegals, or make them legal, therefore making the country "legitimate"?
 
Originally posted by phatmonky
So do you expel the illegals, or make them legal, therefore making the country "legitimate"?

It is too little too late, now. The powers that be have not and apparently will not stop the over run of America. Here is what to do:

First, seal the borders with our Military (they are responsible for protecting us).
Give notice to all illegals that they must Leave the Country within 90 days and reapply legally to re-enter.
If they do not leave and they are apprehended, then they will be fingerprinted, photographed, and will NEVER be allowed to re-enter (this will be their incentive to obey)
Obtain work requests from any and all employers who need "legal" workers as to the numbers they need. Allow the immigration personnel to permit "X" number of immigrants to proceed to the employer, have them properly ID'ed and work permit carded.
Allow only the number of immigrants needed to enter the USA, including permitted tourists.
 
I'm always amused when someone suggests that illegal immigration can be stopped by kicking out the illegals in the country and not letting new ones in.

This is sort of like suggesting that illegal drugs will go away if we would just arrest everyone who has them.
 
Welll technically here in England, we should have no asylum seekers. To seek asylum you have to go the first country that will let you in. And there are a hell of a lot of countries blocking my little island...FRANCE! good old France let's their illegal immigrants into our country.. Stupid French people lol.
 
Originally posted by phatmonky
So do you expel the illegals, or make them legal, therefore making the country "legitimate"?

Not once did I suggest making them "legal".
 
Originally posted by master_coda
I'm always amused when someone suggests that illegal immigration can be stopped by kicking out the illegals in the country and not letting new ones in.

This is sort of like suggesting that illegal drugs will go away if we would just arrest everyone who has them.

Well, let me put it this way, something has to be done and something needs to get going and soon. Do I realistically think it will happen. No! signed, Timejim
 
Originally posted by timejim
It is too little too late, now. The powers that be have not and apparently will not stop the over run of America. Here is what to do:

First, seal the borders with our Military (they are responsible for protecting us).
Give notice to all illegals that they must Leave the Country within 90 days and reapply legally to re-enter.
If they do not leave and they are apprehended, then they will be fingerprinted, photographed, and will NEVER be allowed to re-enter (this will be their incentive to obey)
Obtain work requests from any and all employers who need "legal" workers as to the numbers they need. Allow the immigration personnel to permit "X" number of immigrants to proceed to the employer, have them properly ID'ed and work permit carded.
Allow only the number of immigrants needed to enter the USA, including permitted tourists.

Yeah, like hunting down 10 million illegal immigrants across the nation will work. And of course we'll somehow to be able to secure our entire land and sea boarder with our military, it's only 10's of thousands of miles and it's not like we need the military for anything else currently.
 
You'd get a better response if you posted this in politics and world affairs.
 
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Originally posted by timejim
Not once did I suggest making them "legal".

Great, that's why I asked it in question form.
 
  • #11
Originally posted by wasteofo2
You'd get a better response if you posted this in politics and world affairs.

I don't know how to get in that thread, I don't see it listed? Help
 
  • #12
Originally posted by timejim
I don't know how to get in that thread, I don't see it listed? Help
Politics is a sub-forum of GD. Toward the bottom of this page, on the left-hand side, there is a box called "Forum Jump". Click on the drop-down arrow next to 'General Discussion' - you'll find it there. It's also at the top of the page listing the GF thread topics.
 

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