Experimental interference of independent photons

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The discussion centers on the experimental observation of interference patterns produced by independent photons, particularly in the context of quantum theory versus classical analogs. Participants explore the implications of a specific paper by the Zeilinger group regarding the nature of photon interference and its interpretation within quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper by Kaltenbaek et al. that suggests fully destructive interference of photons from independent sources cannot be explained by classical wave theory but rather through quantum probability amplitudes.
  • Others challenge the claim that there is no classical analogue, arguing that classical wave interference in a medium like water can produce similar constructive and destructive interference patterns, regardless of the independence of the sources.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for mathematical demonstration to show how classical wave superposition could replicate the results presented in the referenced paper.
  • Another participant describes the Hong-Ou-Mandel (HOM) interference effect, noting that it occurs when two identical photons enter a beamsplitter simultaneously and are detected at one output, highlighting the role of polarization in the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of photon interference and the validity of classical analogs. There is no consensus on whether classical wave theory can adequately explain the phenomena observed in the quantum context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying interpretations of quantum mechanics and classical electromagnetism, with some participants calling for mathematical rigor to support claims made about interference patterns.

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Don't miss this paper from the Zeilinger group:

R. Kaltenbaek et al, PRL 96, 240502 (2006).

In particular, read the first paragraph:

Is it possible to observe fully destructive interference of photons if they all originate from separate, independent sources? Yes, according to quantum theory. The perfect interference of photons emerging from independent sources cannot be understood by the classical concept of the superposition of electromagnetic fields but only by the interference of probability amplitudes of multiparticle detection events. As stressed by Mandel ‘‘this prediction has no classical analogue, and its confirmation would represent an interesting test of the quantum theory of the electromagnetic field’’

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‘‘this prediction has no classical analogue, ..."
Don’t see how this can be claimed.
A simple classical pool of water with two points independently generating waves of exactly the same frequency will generate waves that overlap each other and can be observed alone a line some distance from both sources. Even if the sources are out of phase that phase difference between the independent sources would remain fixed as the frequencies are the same. You would still find points along the observation line of complete constructive interference with the waves doubling in size. And points in-between those constructive points where there is destructive interference and no wave or change in water height at all. How much more of a matching classical analog could they expect? I see no interesting test here that would indicate anything.
 
RandallB said:
Don’t see how this can be claimed.
A simple classical pool of water with two points independently generating waves of exactly the same frequency will generate waves that overlap each other and can be observed alone a line some distance from both sources. Even if the sources are out of phase that phase difference between the independent sources would remain fixed as the frequencies are the same. You would still find points along the observation line of complete constructive interference with the waves doubling in size. And points in-between those constructive points where there is destructive interference and no wave or change in water height at all. How much more of a matching classical analog could they expect? I see no interesting test here that would indicate anything.

Read the paper. If you can show mathematically how classical wave superposition can produce the same results shown in Fig. 3, then write to PRL.

Zz.
 
You can read the paper here:

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0603048For those who want to find interpretations of Quantum Mechanics in
combination with Classical EM:

If one photon enters the beamsplitter it will be detected only at one
of the two outputs, either one but not at both outputs at the same time.


In this experiment:

If two equal photons enter the beamsplitter at the same time, at
different inputs, (there are two inputs), there will only be something
detected at one of the two outputs, either one, but there won't be
detected anything at both outputs at the same time.


This is the so-called Hong-Ou-Mandel-type (HOM) interference.
The effect disappears if the two photons have different polarization.Regards, Hans
 
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