Heat Physics: Are Energy Levels Equal in Different Objects?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature and energy levels in different objects when they are placed together. Participants explore whether two objects at the same temperature possess equal amounts of energy, considering various forms of energy and the implications of mass and potential energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if two objects at the same temperature have the same amount of energy, suggesting that it is possible but not likely due to the different types of energy each object can possess.
  • Another participant proposes an approximation for internal energy using the formula U = m C_v T, implying that mass and specific heat capacity are relevant factors.
  • A participant points out that temperature is a measure of kinetic energy, introducing a layer of complexity to the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambiguity of the question, particularly regarding mass and potential energy, with one participant noting that mass is a determining factor in energy calculations.
  • Potential energy is defined by another participant, who explains that it can vary based on the chosen reference point (datum), leading to the possibility of heavier objects having less potential energy than lighter ones under certain conditions.
  • Participants acknowledge oversimplifications in their arguments and agree that more information is needed to adequately address the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views and interpretations of energy and potential energy remain unresolved. The discussion highlights the need for further clarification and additional information.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by ambiguities in the phrasing of the original question, particularly regarding the definitions of energy types and the reference points for potential energy. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to energy calculations.

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If two objects of different kind is placed together, they have the same temperature. Would the amount of energy in the two objects the same too?
 
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It's possible, but not likely. There are all sorts of energy that each can possesses independent of the other. If they're of exactly the same mass, then their thermal energy will be the same.
 
The internal energy of an object can be approximated by:

[tex]U = m C_v T[/tex]

That should give you an answer.
 
Trick question: temperature is a measure of energy (if we're just talking kinetic).
 
But that's an if that wasn't specified. Hence the ambiguity of my answer. If, for instance, one was more massive than the other, it's potential energy would be higher. On the lowest level, e=mc^2 applies to both, so the mass is the determining factor.
 
Actually, potential energy is defined as P.E = mgh

Where the height, h, is referenced to any arbitrary datum. So if you define the ground as your datum, then anything at ground level will have zero potential energy, no matter the mass.

Another example, an object below ground level (using ground level as the datum) would have negative potential energy.

So there are two ways a heavier body can have less potential energy than a lighter body.

If both bodies are above the datum or below, then your statement always holds true.
 
True; I oversimplified as well. The point, though, was just to explain that the question isn't answerable in its current phraseology. More information is required.
 

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