The meaning of life

[chosenone]

I have a bazzare thought.if god exists and created everything right,than the meaning of life is that,the meaning of life is to be the meaning of life to another being as he exists in his universe,and we are what he does in his to kill time!and thats all we are his his life not ours!

[Mentat]

Be careful of mentioning God, chosenone, your topic may be moved. Anyway, I like your idea (not necessarily agree with it, but like it), I think it has true merit.

[chosenone]

thanks mentat I liked it to It better that anything I've ever heard anyone else say other that we create our own because to future is our to create it

[Mentat]

Originally posted by chosenone
thanks mentat I liked it to It better that anything I've ever heard anyone else say other that we create our own because to future is our to create it

I had a little difficulty understanding this post, but your welcome (I guess[;)] )

[chosenone]

Yeah,I know,I alway forget to proof read it before I post it!I just think I got it right the first time,Oh well,I'll try better next time.so anyway about the meaning of life.do you think there a set meaning that exists and we have to find it.do we know it and we just dont know it,or are we just wondering why we exist at all,and if so what for,and if it had purpose what are we suppose to do in the pursuit of that purpose as are meaning.do you agree?

[Mentat]

Originally posted by chosenone
Yeah,I know,I alway forget to proof read it before I post it!I just think I got it right the first time,Oh well,I'll try better next time.so anyway about the meaning of life.do you think there a set meaning that exists and we have to find it.do we know it and we just dont know it,or are we just wondering why we exist at all,and if so what for,and if it had purpose what are we suppose to do in the pursuit of that purpose as are meaning.do you agree?

Well, yeah, that's pretty much the problem. You see, there is no agreement on the subject of whether life even has a purpose (alexander - from the old PFs (where the heck is he?) - would tell you that asking what the purpose of life is is like asking what the purpose of cell-division is, or what the purpose of rusting is. He says that they are all just chemical processes, that are trying to reach higher levels of entropy), let alone what that purpose might be.

[chosenone]

Well since I've read enough of you posts,you believe in god,so your trying to debate how to prove god exist ,to be able to prove what the answers to the questions you have are,so you understand what life means like everyone else.either you accept the answer that god gives you by believeing in him"faith"that with the laws of physics which is god doing it,then you ask god what his purpose for you is than what it is for everybody else,and look to electronics digital displays that said something until you looked again and you were wrong or when your computer crashed for no reason,gods number other than 7 or the beasts 6 is 8 which is infinity in math side ways he might give you a sign if you ask the right question!

[Mentat]

Originally posted by chosenone
Well since I've read enough of you posts,you believe in god,so your trying to debate how to prove god exist ,

In what post did I ever imply this?

[chosenone]

Well let me see!if you click on your name you get you profile,and it say one of my intests is bible study!if im wrong please tell me that i assumed to much!

[FZ+]

Studying the bible doesn't mean you believe in it. [;)] I for one probably studied the bible far more than you have, and I don't believe in it.
either you accept the answer that god gives you by believeing in him"faith"that with the laws of physics which is god doing it,then you ask god what his purpose for you is than what it is for everybody else,and look to electronics digital displays that said something until you looked again and you were wrong or when your computer crashed for no reason,gods number other than 7 or the beasts 6 is 8 which is infinity in math side ways he might give you a sign if you ask the right question!
Hmm... Pardon? All I got from that is that God is ambiguous and different people get different perspectives on this matter, which they attribute to God, which I agree with.

[Sourire]

I believe that there is no one meaning for life. I believe that everyone is different so that the meaning of their life is going to be different than mine.

[wuliheron]

Soooooo, life is movie and we all have our part to play in this passion play. If so, I for one want my money back! What a stupid horror movie! Only a jerk would think this is entertaining! People are suffering and dying out there! I used to fantasize I would spit in God's face if given the chance.

Nahhh, just a nightmare someone thought up. If God exists and created everything I feel pretty confident it was just to have something to do rather than entertainment. Why not when you have all eternity to waste? As Allan Watts put it, maybe God is just playing "Peek-a-boo" with himself. Sounds better than the horror movie scenario. :0)

[Mentat]

Originally posted by FZ+
Studying the bible doesn't mean you believe in it. [;)] I for one probably studied the bible far more than you have, and I don't believe in it.

Exactly. I happen to know of a few very bible-knowledgeable people, on the forums, that are atheists.

Anyway, I would like to comment on a statement that you made, in the original post:

Originally posted by chosenone
and thats all we are his his life not ours!


You see, this contradicts your other point, that the purpose of our life is to make more life. This is a contradiction only because, if we are only God's life, then there is no such thing as "our life". And if there is no such thing as "our life" then there is no purpose to "our life".

Perhaps you meant that our lives are the meaning of God's life?

[MacTech]

meaning of life is.. "asking what is the meaning of life, and making it have meaning."

[Ishop]

we exsist to exsist. Debate that one hehe. The meaning of life is life. No more no less. Live it. Carpe Diem or whatever motivates you.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Sourire
I believe that there is no one meaning for life. I believe that everyone is different so that the meaning of their life is going to be different than mine.

One of my friends also believes that the meaning of life can mean whatever you wan't it to mean however he also believes this fact is not debatable. Don't ask why, he's just wierd.

[chosenone]

some believe that the meaning of life is to create your own.everybody wants to understand what life is and why we are here.people follow people with charisma,because they have this understanding about life that people latch onto.like karesh.waco,texas.they follow these idiots because they offer people a way of life that they bull**** them into thinking is the way it was meant to be lived.but its just some stupid philosophy that sounds so good to these people they buy into it.then when they have these sucker sold of their B.S. they set them up in this little community to live together in some stupid quest to follow this leaders rules of life he set forth to them.then he has them turn over all there possession to his to because he tells them give up their worldly material needs and follow him,and makes millions off these suckers,while they live in his community on some place in the middle of no where.then get them all killed because of his mistake,and takes them down with him,some leader they followed.so this is worst case senerio of someone needing to have a meaning of life.so your not that stupid ,so its either look to god and ask for him to show you make your own up,or wait for someone like this to give it to you!

[BoulderHead]

I kinda like this one;

"This question has no answer except in the history of how it came to be asked. There is no answer because words have meaning, not life or persons or the universe itself. Our search for certainty rests in our attempts at understanding the history of all individual selves and all civilizations. Beyond that, there is only awe."
-Julian Jaynes

[drag]

Greetings !
Originally posted by chosenone
I have a bazzare thought.if god exists and created everything right,than the meaning of life is that,the meaning of life is to be the meaning of life to another being as he exists in his universe,and we are what he does in his to kill time!and thats all we are his his life not ours!
[:)]
There's a worse case scenario yet - if there's
no God then we exist for no purpose what so
ever. But, at least we're on even terms with
everything else... [;)]

Live long and prosper.

[mouseman]

I'm firmly holding on to the idea that we exist only to procreate, to pass our genes on to the next generation for the survival of our species, but thats only cuz I believe life is (or was, rather) an accident. And an extraordinary accident at that. [:)]

[chosenone]

There's a worse case scenario yet - if there's
no God then we exist for no purpose what so
ever. But, at least we're on even terms with
everything else...

I like that! but it's hard to say that if atoms can form life,that even know we may have been a random planet that formed to create life,that the universe did'nt have it in it to do to begin with.so i guess we'll have to make the best of it.ohh darn were alive,you care,at least we have that much,It's not that bad of a gig,being alive.rather have been alive and go back to the nothingness I came,that to have not lived at all.so I'll just make the best of it,instead of *****ing about why to begin with.!

[Mentat]

Originally posted by mouseman
I'm firmly holding on to the idea that we exist only to procreate, to pass our genes on to the next generation for the survival of our species, but thats only cuz I believe life is (or was, rather) an accident. And an extraordinary accident at that. [:)]

But, does the fact that it's cause was accidental immediately rule out the possibility of their being a purpose? After all, the existence of God could be an accident (hey, it's an idea), and thus He could set out a purpose for us, after we have already come into existence. Or, from an atheistic stand-point, perhaps we do make our own purposes.

[chosenone]

maybe the meaning of life is for a species of being to live and die,until they've advanced themself to achieve light speed,and explore the universe,because its there to be done.and where not it,we have to live a meaningless existance never seeing it happened but we were there when it started.if we can keep ourselfs from destroying the earth at the same time,and achieve technological advancement and repair it before its to late. then our meaning was to watch ourself let it all go to hell,and stand by and watch it happen,and do nothing then blame everybody else for it instaed of taking responcibility for it themself,because there apart of the human race,what happens to anyone happens to everyone.so stopping it from happening should be everybodys meaning!.

[drag]

Maybe the meaning of life is to have fun...[;)]

[chosenone]

yeah,life can be fun,if you have a brain that can make you money,or else your working 9-5 digging a ditch for 5 dollars an hour,and never amounted to anything,or in pain from being hurt,or crippled your whole life anbd were never given the chance to have a good one,then yeah lifes fun for the rest of us

[mouseman]

Originally posted by Mentat
But, does the fact that it's cause was accidental immediately rule out the possibility of their being a purpose?
Well, I just feel it's more unlikely.
Originally posted by Mentat
Or, from an atheistic stand-point, perhaps we do make our own purposes.
I think I'd have to agree with that notion.
Originally posted by chosenone
maybe the meaning of life is for a species of being to live and die,until they've advanced themself to achieve light speed,and explore the universe,because its there to be done.
But what about the dinosaurs? They never got their chance. They were "God's creatures" for millions of years before we got here. I probably know what you're going to say, and my answer would be that it wouldn't be fair to rule them out.
Originally posted by chosenone
and where not it,we have to live a meaningless existance never seeing it happened but we were there when it started.
What's so bad about that. If we could all agree that we have no real purpose here in the universe and could realize that the fact that we are here is a "blessing" enough, I believe the human race will be better off than it ever was.
Originally posted by chosenone
if we can keep ourselfs from destroying the earth at the same time,and achieve technological advancement and repair it before its to late. then our meaning was to watch ourself let it all go to hell,and stand by and watch it happen,and do nothing then blame everybody else for it instaed of taking responcibility for it themself,because there apart of the human race,what happens to anyone happens to everyone.so stopping it from happening should be everybodys meaning!.
Right. That would be a part of the survival of the species. We can use our reasoning and intellect to foresee our self-induced demise and overcome it and THAT, my friends, gives us an advantage over all other species on Earth. But I would like to add that with that advantage comes incredible responsibility, as far as watching over our fellow terrestrial inhabitants. We need to care for other things as we tend to our own needs. Blah, blah, blah! I'm rambling again.

Time out for another beer. [6)]

[Iacchus32]

Originally posted by Jack
One of my friends also believes that the meaning of life can mean whatever you wan't it to mean however he also believes this fact is not debatable. Don't ask why, he's just wierd.
Actually it makes sense if it's up to each of us to ultimately decide for ourselves. In which case it can't be up for debate.

[chosenone]

well I think the dinosaurs were created by god for one purpose,and that was to give us fossil fuel.with out it we would be where we are right now,and destroying the planet at the same time.

[BoulderHead]

Originally posted by chosenone
well I think the dinosaurs were created by god for one purpose,and that was to give us fossil fuel.with out it we would be where we are right now,and destroying the planet at the same time. What is the truth behind crude oil? I've heard dinosaurs, rotten vegetation, naturally occuring. I thought dinosaurs had been pretty much ruled out.

[mouseman]

Crude oil is basically preserved organic material (dead plants and animals). It was sealed away from the elements so well that only bacteria could get to it. So basically its bacteria-poop.
This is just an assumption. I don't know the real answer. And don't ask me why I posted this. I don't know that either.

[Ben-CS]

I am rather fond of saying "The purpose of life is to determine the purpose of life."

[FZ+]

Originally posted by chosenone
well I think the dinosaurs were created by god for one purpose,and that was to give us fossil fuel.with out it we would be where we are right now,and destroying the planet at the same time.
Nonsense. We were created by God to act as a galactic whipping boy for the great race of alien moulds, the real focus of all creation, to calibrate their weapons in their holy war against the devilish alien scums. All the stuff he told you about being made in his own image is wrong - see how quickly moulds grow? This universe is designed for them!

Crude oil is decayed organic matter. Mostly thought not to be dinos, but deep sea sediment from dead ocean creatures. eg. plankton, fish etc.

[Deslaar]

So far, from what I can tell, nothing can have a meaning in and of itself. Meaning is ascribed to an object or entity through it's relationship with other objects and entities. What is the meaning of a fork? Ask the knife. What is the meaning of life? Ask the Universe. How do you ask the Universe a question? Science.

[drag]

The meaning of existence is 42... [;)]
Now, what's the question ? [:D]

[Deslaar]

Originally posted by drag
The meaning of existence is 42... [;)]
Now, what's the question ? [:D]

What is 6 multiplied by 7?

BY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!!![g)][;)]

[Eyesee]

Originally posted by drag
The meaning of existence is 42... [;)]
Now, what's the question ? [:D]

I just learned that the other day.
The question is : What is infinity - infinity?

And I wagered 10,000 by the way. Alex Trebec: pay me !

[drag]

Originally posted by Deslaar
What is 6 multiplied by 7?

Naah... that's too easy ! [:D]
We need something complicated and undefinable
that will sell... [;)]

How about: "How many roads can a man take ?" [:D]

[chosenone]

the meaning of life is for us to ask what the meaning of life is.so when we ask each other.we B.S. with each other because we all don't know what it is.so then we assume god or the universe knows beacause it created us.but we can't get an answer from god or the universe.so where right back where we started,asking each other what we think the meaning of life is!

[M. Gaspar]

Perhaps the meaning of life is the meaning we GIVE it...


The meaning I give it starts off with a basic premise: that the Universe is a living, conscious Entity that goes from incarnation to incarnation (via Big Bang, Big Crunch, etc.) for the purpose of HAVING AN EXPERIENCE...a very complex one that includes the life experiences of everything that has, is or will ever live in THIS --plus past and future -- incarnations.

If I want to add a little MORE meaning, I could say that It's out the "evolve" -- perhaps spiritually -- via our (and other beings') life choices and consequences.

I might even add that, if the Universe had a Primary Question at the moment of every Big Bang, it might be: "What can I create THIS time?"

I do not believe there is an "outside forces ("God") that "created" the Universe. I believe the Universe is an eternal entity of energy that lives to think, feel, act and create...among other things.

[Kerrie]

my answer to this question is to consistently remember that we are spirits living in a material world...

[M. Gaspar]

"Yes, we are living in a material world..."

...and we're "here" for a reason.

I do not believe that "God" is an "outsider" -- as I've established above. Further, I do not believe "God created souls" whole and "perfect".

I believe that "spiritual forces" that correspond to natural forces in the physical realm, caused "spirits" to ACCRETE over time, and that we, as spirit, are EVOLVING.

And while the "stuff" of spirit is eternal, not all of us "make it"...there is "waste" in every system. But, eventually, when the next "Big Crunch" comes, all the spiritual stuff (including those that hung together as "cohesive chunks of spirit") will all "come together" into a singularity (again) before bursting forth into the next incarnation of the Universe.

Meanwhile, the physical realm provides a CONTEXT for spirits to interact, to make good decisions, bad decisions, experience consequence, learn compassion, etc....all as part of the evolution of the Universe Itself.

And, it is probably a natural function of the Eternal Entity of Energy that is the Universe, to have some of Its energy "freeze down" to form a physical plane, where the "spirits" it gives rise to in each incarnation of Itself has a "stage" on which to live its particular "drama".

Or am I a nut?

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by M. Gaspar
[B]"Yes, we are living in a material world..."



actually that is a quote coming from The Police[;)]

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Kerrie
my answer to this question is to consistently remember that we are spirits living in a material world...

And yet, are we not (in your conception of existence) also physical beings? If so, why is it that we are in a "material" world? Why isn't the world also spiritual as well as physical?

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Kerrie
actually that is a quote coming from The Police[;)]

Are you sure about that? Well, I guess it's off-topic, so I'll leave it alone.

[drag]

Greetings !
Originally posted by Mentat
Are you sure about that?
Actually, it's Madonna. But, it IS off-topic
so I guess I should stop boosting the
post count in vain...[:D]
Originally posted by M. Gaspar
Or am I a nut?

Don't be so hard on yourself...[;)]
I guess I'm the spirit that didn't make it...[:)]

On a more serious note, in my opinion, beliefs -
although they may inforce plausible visions
of the meaning of life and of how to live life,
overall do more damage than is avoided by the
lack of any. If not direct for some religions
then indirect for others.

Live long and prosper.

[M. Gaspar]

DRAG: What damage do I do myself to think that the Universe is a living, conscious Entity that's responsive to all of its parts?

...or any of the other of my "rediculous notions"...as someone once told me (briefly set forth on this and other threads).

True, I believe some "beliefs" are "harmful"....the belief, for instance, that someone died for you so that you can make all the mistakes you want.

I believe in self-redemption. I believe in taking action. I believe I'm a force in the Universe...but not the only one.

Are all "beliefs" "harmful".

Please expound.

[drag]

Greetings M. Gaspar !
Originally posted by M. Gaspar
[BDRAG: What damage do I do myself to think that the Universe is a living, conscious Entity that's responsive to all of its parts?

I'm sorry, but I wasn't adressing you in particular -
it was more of a general statement.

The problem with beliefs is that some of the
people that have them often try to convince each
other they are true. Since these are beliefs
they ussualy fail at some time during the
convincing part which sometimes leads to conflict.
(Again, this is a general statement not aimed at
anyone in particular.)

Live long and prosper.

[Kerrie]

correction:

We are spirits living in the material world is a song by Sting...NOT by Madonna, I am sure most of you have heard this song, just don't realize it...

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Kerrie
correction:

We are spirits living in the material world is a song by Sting...NOT by Madonna, I am sure most of you have heard this song, just don't realize it...

Yes, but when the poster said "we are living in a material world...", one assumes (because of his/her reference to Madonna) that afterward would follow "... and I am a material girl" - and would thus be a quote from a famous Madonna song.

[Kerrie]

i can't stand madonna...

[drag]

Originally posted by Mentat
...his/her...
You dissapoint me Mentat. [:D]
Originally posted by Kerrie
i can't stand madonna...
[:D]

[Eyesee]

The line by the Police (the audible part anyway) goes "We are spirits... in the material world",
the one by Madonna goes " We are living in a material world"

[Mentat]

Originally posted by drag
You dissapoint me Mentat. [:D]


Well, I guess one could assume that the member would be male, given the name M. Gasper. However, I'm never sure (there are some strange people out there), so courtesy requires that I don't assume any gender for the member, until informed of what their actual gender is.

[drag]

Originally posted by Mentat
Well, I guess one could assume that the member would be male, given the name M. Gasper. However, I'm never sure (there are some strange people out there), so courtesy requires that I don't assume any gender for the member, until informed of what their actual gender is.
You misunderstood me - it was I who mentioned
Madonna in the first place so I assumed you
were adressing me. [;)]

[Netme]

The universe as we know it has been slowed down from its actual speed giving us time to explore the god set boundries in which we call space. We have evolved from dolphins who stranded themselves on shores purposely to create land capable beings of their kind.

[M. Gaspar]

Yes, we all need more time.

[Mentat]

Originally posted by drag
You misunderstood me - it was I who mentioned
Madonna in the first place so I assumed you
were adressing me. [;)]

I see. I was refering to M. Gaspar though. I don't call you a he/she (even though I don't have any conclusive statement of your gender) [;)] .

[chosenone]

I play the drums and I'll only listen to heavy metal.but eminem the new rock rap is alright only because just like ice tea when he did body count.a black rapper tried to bridge the gap between rock and rap by doing rock.it was his way of stopping racism.because the war between rock and rap,is just another way for people to have another way of keeping racism alive through music instaed of doing it directly.so eminem is sorta doing the same thing trying to be a white person doing rap.and he might just make it.anyway back to the post topic.would'nt it be cool if we where all the reincarnation of the dinosaurs,and for 1 billion years our souls have been advancing through time to this point,living again and again.till human form came into existance,we final understood what it meant to be aware of the universe from primal animals,spiritually i mean!

[M. Gaspar]

Are we off topic here?



The "meaning of life' might be the meaning we GIVE it...

so...?

[chosenone]

Well like i originally posted that started this thread was that the meaning of life,is to be the meaning of life of another being,as part of his existence."god".were what god does to kill time,create us.our thoughts,our lives,everthing we think,do,and are,are his to do,for us, as we do them,as he does them for us,so ever time you ask what the meaning of life is!he's making you ask.and when your done asking,did he give you and answer?

[chosenone]

so do you think when poeple ask what the meaning of life is,they expect an answer?NO.so why do we ask?their just awed at they awareness of life,and don't have an explaination for it.so they spend their time pursueing science and philosophy,or theology,in a attempt to find the answers.they hope science can explain how life could be formed randomlly on a planet.or prove God exists.And if science can explain it,theirs still not answer,because you can't answer WHY,in the first place.If God exist then thats just the first question answers,how and why we exist,but then the next question is how did he come into existance.was there a begining,or has he always been?so even if we prove God exist,will we have a answer to these question?I guess god can only answer that!

[Messiah]

If all which exists was created and god exists, then he must have been created - - - as must have been any predecessors.

This kind of chicken and the egg redundancy implies no logical 'beginning'.

If you argue god was not subject to the laws of nature, you are discarding logic entirely.

Creation is, simply, a process cause and effect.

Why do you believe the phenomenon of existence is based on a process?

Mankind tends to personify the nature of the Universe. Since life has a beginning and an end, it is assumed the Universe must also have had a beginning.

This is not logic.

[Netme]

You dont know what your talking about..

[M. Gaspar]

None of us do.

It's all speculation.

[greeneagle3000]

this is to what i believe.
there is more then one god.
we are here for a reason. everything happens for a reason.
there are extraterrestial life in outer space.
there is more then one universe.

[chosenone]

Any other God,is just God with another name.So when looking for an answer to the question have you ever tries to answer it as if god gave it to you.what would it be?what would it sound like when you heared it?would it make you feel tiggly all over?would you faint and pass out from the shock of accually getting it and never expected it?would you feel warm all over cause it made you feel so good?what is it you want, when you ask the question?.what is in the answer you need to know? you are alive that all that really matter.anything else you put to it does'nt matter.

[Messiah]

Originally posted by Netme
You dont know what your talking about..

Can you be a little more specific.
Your ad hominem rebuttal leaves much to be desired.
If you can refute the logic, please share your wisdom with us.

[David Kemp]

I’m virtually certain that the meaning of life is to discover and experience emotion. If you think about it every act we do is focused of experiencing a pleasant emotion or a avoiding an unpleasant one. In the case when we are studying math or physics, for example, we are in that case exploring more the structure of emotion rather than seeking to experience emotion in the raw. This point of view extends from my belief that emotion is the substance of reality and that matter is a construct. The purpose of the material construct being to guide us and aid us in the exploration of emotion. Think the movie Matrix.
If anyone has an example that seems to fly in the face of my points of view I would love to hear about them.

[chosenone]

When someone asks the question"What is the meaning of life?" it was a retoricle question.

[Netme]

Originally posted by David Kemp
I’m virtually certain that the meaning of life is to discover and experience emotion. If you think about it every act we do is focused of experiencing a pleasant emotion or a avoiding an unpleasant one. In the case when we are studying math or physics, for example, we are in that case exploring more the structure of emotion rather than seeking to experience emotion in the raw. This point of view extends from my belief that emotion is the substance of reality and that matter is a construct. The purpose of the material construct being to guide us and aid us in the exploration of emotion. Think the movie Matrix.
If anyone has an example that seems to fly in the face of my points of view I would love to hear about them.
Yes you are right Emotion is one of the subjects that are used in the experiment called life. But remember we are an experiment and nothing more.

[greeneagle3000]

that is out of topic but i don't like god.

the meaning of life, i didn't say i was right.
-> everything happens for a reason.
we are here for a reason. we are on a journey. and through this journey, we will stumble upon obstacles and bad things. and we have to overcome them instead of falling into them. which way you choose, will be your destiny. [<:)]

if i go on more, something bad will happen so i will stop here.

[chosenone]

If jesus where alive I'm sure he does'nt like god either.he's suppose to justify to poeple,God evil and atocities that he does to poeple.and is suppose to buy it himself,and try to sell it to poeple,saying he has a plan and it will work out.some times thats not good enough for poeple.

[David Kemp]

I agree there can't be any evil if God is good and infinite, the idea of a Good God and a the idea of a victim contradict each other on both an intellectual level and on an emotional level. Both can not exist. The events we call "bad" are simply events that have been allowed to occur because certain lessons needed to be learnt. A mother allows her young child to scrap its knee because the child would not learn anything if it was magically caught each time he or she tripped. The child would not learn cause and effect. To learn we have to be allowed to experience the results of our actions. A scrapped knee is not the end of the world and neither was the holocaust. No one spiritually “died” in the holocaust, in fact its my belief that many of those that physically died then are living in Israel today. By the way, the existence of Israel today of is a direct result of the holocaust, those that died in the holocaust would not have been the first to die for the sake their homeland.
This universe is a school and we are here to learn. As I believe emotion is the substance of reality, we are here to learn the nature of emotion and how to control and use it.
I agree emotion may turn out to be just one aspect of reality but for me, it is reality’s touch stone. To be conscious of ones emotions is to be conscious of one’s inner self, one’s spiritual self. It is to be conscious of spirit.

[chosenone]

in the universw the exists what is called the mindscape.it means all things that exist already exist and you only become aware of them.anything there is that you can know ,understand,build have a theory about,already exist your just not aware of it.the meaning of life is in the pursuit of finding the thing that exist in all infinity that there is to become aware of.

[jammieg]

"There's way to much information to decode the matrix" -Cipher

The meaning of life is dependent on the exact meaning of the question.
The meaning that is most commonly sought after is- how should I live my life?
The answer is dependent on the person. Do you want to be a politician or a musician? Essentially the answer is to pursue your dreams, the actually obtainment or accomplishment of you dreams isn't as important as the journey.
This is my own experience, I remember myself being the happiest when pursuing a dream, not actually catching one, although some dreams come true and this encourages us. The sad thing for me to see is people who have given up and desire nothing more in life than to watch it go by vicariously on the comfort of their couch. Do you remember when you were happiest?

[greeneagle3000]

Originally posted by jammieg
"There's way to much information to decode the matrix" -Cipher


hmm.. you had to mention it so don't kill me if i do.

that is a diffrent story though the phillosophy has very much alot of things to do with the natural order of life. i am talking about the matrix but i won't because i know what will happen.

like i said before, everything does happen for a reason and we choose our reason of life. and if we allow fate to control us, it will.

[chosenone]

the meaning of life,is to pursue finding what the meaning of life is,whether we find it or not,whether it exists or not whether there will every be a answer accepted by man as the offical answer to the question, or it stays personal believe,we will not stop until we find it.or we die trying.which is the point!

[Messiah]

TRUE MEANING OF LIFE = "not dead"

[Dissident Dan]

Correction:

meaning of life = the property of things which are not dead

[Iacchus32]

From the thread, The Mystery Within (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=609) ...

Originally posted by Iacchus32

The mystery is that which lies within. And yet the mystery is none other than the essence which gives rise to form. Whereas all mysteries are pretty much one and the same, in that they lead to the one true mystery, The Mystery of Life ...
From the thread, Knowledge versus Wisdom (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=611) ...

Originally posted by Iacchus32

Knowledge is the form (external). Wisdom is the essence (internal).

What point is knowledge? if it doesn't exist to serve wisdom?

Which is more important? The (external) facts? Or, the (internal) experience which leads to the facts?

Is it only knowledge that we seek? (physical evidence). Or, do we seek "context" (and the essence within).

Can life be sustained outside of context? outside of a form designed to suit it? which has not been corrupted or breeched?

What point is a dead corpse? without a spirit or essence to move it?

What point is a dead (physical) universe? without a Divine Essence to set it in motion?

What is an (external) effect without a (internal) cause?

What point is knowledge? if it doesn't exist to serve wisdom? ...

[Messiah]

Originally posted by Dissident Dan
Correction:

meaning of life = the property of things which are not dead
Correction to the Correction:

meaning of life = the condition of things which are not dead

Life is a condition of a being. Death is also a condition of a being.
The being will retain its properties - just in a different condition.

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Messiah
Correction to the Correction:

meaning of life = the condition of things which are not dead

Life is a condition of a being. Death is also a condition of a being.
The being will retain its properties - just in a different condition.

Correction to the correction of the correction [:D]:

The meaning of life cannot be the condition of things which are not dead. That is the defintion of "life" itself.

It's meaning is one of properties of it.

[chosenone]

I know.the meaning of life is to give up ever thinking you'll get a answer,and find something else to do with your time.

[M. Gaspar]

The meaning of life is the meaning you GIVE it!

[chosenone]

CAN YOU GIVE IT A GOOD ONE?

[M. Gaspar]

The meaning of life is the meaning I give it via my ACTIONS.

If my life is about "being of service" -- and I take actions consistent with that -- then "being of service" is part of the meaning of MY life.

If my life is about philosphical and scientific inquirey -- and I take actions consistent with that -- then the meaning of my life INCLUDES intellectual inquiry.

If my life is about "family" ... or "academic study" ...or "stealing cars" ...or "making music" ...then the meaning of my life includes these things.

What is the meaning of YOUR life?

HINT: I draw your attention to my "signature"...

[M. Gaspar]

...and the meaning of life for the Universe might be "simply" to have ANOTHER Experience ...and, maybe, to evolve .