Discover the Smallest Possible Force: Physics Lab Demonstration Tips and Ideas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating the smallest possible force in a physics lab setting, focusing on the requirements of measuring force through mass and acceleration, with a specific distance of at least 30 cm to be traveled. Participants explore various ideas and methods for achieving this demonstration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an air track with a paper clip but expresses concern about it being a common choice among classmates.
  • Another participant humorously proposes a "gnat fart" but questions the feasibility of achieving 30 cm with such a small force.
  • Clarification is provided that the goal is to move a designated mass 30 cm, rather than discussing the absolute smallest force.
  • Participants discuss the formula F=ma and inquire about the time allowed for acceleration, suggesting that maximizing time could minimize the required force.
  • There is confusion about how to demonstrate the force, with one participant questioning whether it refers to a mathematical proof or a physical demonstration.
  • Suggestions include using a paper clip and air track, and one participant mentions the idea of blowing a small piece of paper across a table as a potential demonstration.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the object to travel at an average speed of 1 cm/min and suggests creating a graph to analyze distance over time to derive acceleration and force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the requirements of the lab, with some confusion about the demonstration aspect and the specifics of the mass involved. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the smallest possible force, and multiple ideas are presented without agreement on a single method.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not specified the mass of the object to be used, which may affect the calculations and methods discussed. The discussion includes assumptions about the time allowed for acceleration and the nature of the demonstration.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or educators involved in physics labs, particularly those exploring concepts of force, mass, and acceleration in practical demonstrations.

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I have a lab for physics that I have to demonstrate the smallest possible force. The force has to be mearsured by multiplying the mass of the designated object by acceleration. It has to have a continuous and positive acceleration. The distance is that it must travel at least 30 cm. Any ideas and help would be great :).

I had an idea using the air track with a paper clip but it would be kinda typical for our class since everyone is doing it since no one knows what to do.

Thanks.
 
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Rats! I was going to suggest a gnat fart until I read further into your post. I don't think that 30cm is achievable with that.

Seriously, I don't understand the question. The smallest possible force wouldn't move anything any appreciable distance. Do you mean the smallest force that will move a designated mass 30cm?
 
oh haha, sorry for the unclear question.
Yeah, that's what I meant--moving a designated mass of 30cm.
 
Well,then... F=ma. How long are you allowed to accelerate the given mass? Plug that figure into the formula along with whatever that given mass is.
 
I'm a little confused too... are u supposed to get it as close to 30 cm as possible?
 
It should go to at least 30 cm and it should accelerate for about a maximum of 30 mins.
 
Okay, then... just follow the formula. Use your maximum allotted time to minimize the required force.
 
but how am i going to demonstrate the force?
 
Unless I missed something (which is quite possible because I'm on my 8th beer), you didn't mention what the mass is of the body in question. And even when you do divulge it, you're going to have to work it out yourself. I don't know what you mean by 'demonstrate'. That could indicate either a mathematical proof of your conclusions, or a physical staging.
 
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It's suppose to be a physical staging...and the mass can be any object.

I was thinking of using a paper clip to accelerate with an air track but any better ideas?
 
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well... as for displaying how it works, wouldn't the objet moving be evidence of the force?

as for figuring out force, u need it to be traveling 1cm/min idealy on average
make a graph of distance over time, that being 30cm over 30 mins, take the dirivative(sp?) to get speed(remember u have to start with a speed of 0), then the dirivative(sp?) of that to get acceleration, then figure out the force from that...
 
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if you are getting really lazy with it, you could always take a small piece of paper and practice blowing it across a table with a dropper =/

a lighter object might be harder to control though so don't go too light
 

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