Find the average force the carpet exerts

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the average force exerted by a carpet on a falling brick and the mass of gas needed for a space probe to change its course. The first part involves theoretical and conceptual reasoning about forces and energy, while the second part focuses on vector analysis and momentum conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a scenario where a 10 kg brick falls onto a carpet and asks for the average force exerted by the carpet, suggesting that the force stopping the brick is constant and providing initial calculations.
  • Post 1 also questions the effects of the carpet and foam rubber pad on the brick's displacement and the time interval, indicating uncertainty about the necessary kinematic formulas.
  • Post 2 suggests making assumptions about intrusion depth and applying a constant force model to simplify the problem of the carpet's effect on the brick.
  • Post 2 also proposes using vector triangles to analyze the space probe's course change, indicating that the perpendicular acceleration can be resolved into components.
  • Post 3 emphasizes the relationship between the work done by gravity and the work done by the rug, hinting at the need to calculate force and distance to find a solution.
  • Post 4 raises a concern about the realism of the assumption that the brick stops exactly within the given distances of the carpet and foam pad, highlighting the importance of knowing the stopping distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions necessary for solving the problems, particularly regarding the stopping distances and the nature of the forces involved. There is no consensus on a definitive method to solve the first problem, and the second problem also remains open to interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for specific assumptions about stopping distances and force models, which may affect the calculations. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the physical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in physics problems involving forces, energy, and vector analysis, particularly in the context of real-world applications and theoretical modeling.

Soaring Crane
Messages
461
Reaction score
0
1. A 10 kg brick falls from a height of 2 m.

a. Suppose it falls unto a carpet, 1 cm thick. Assuming the force stopping it is constant, find the average force the carpet exerts on the brick. Answer: 2 x 10^4 N

b. Now if it falls onto a 5 cm foam rubber pad, what constant force is needed to bring it to rest? Answer: 4 x 10^3 N

I know the formula F*/\t =/\p. To get F, /\p//\t. But do these objects have any effects on the brick's displacement and the time interval? [In some of these problems, kinematic formulas are needed to find things that are not given besides what one seeks. I used v_f^2 = V_i^2 + 2a/\x to find the velocity (about 63 m/s) if there was no object on the ground.] Please tell me the steps to get the force.

2. A 7600-kg space probe is traveling through space at 120 m/s. Mission control determines that a change in course of 30 degrees is necessary and, by electric communication, instructs the probe to fire rockets perpendicular to its present direction of motion. If the escaping gas leaves the craft's rockets at an average speed of 3200 m/s, what mass of gas should be expelled? Answer: 170 kg

No one, not even the instructor, could figure out how to do this. 60-90-30 triangles, x and y components, and other momentum formulas were used but to no avail. How do you do this?

Thank you for any clues!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Well, the first one is not quite that easy. You can make some assumptions to build a crude model though.. You can make a guess of intrusion depth (like with the carpet) and assume a constant force (or some other a priori known force function). Every thing else is just setting boundary conditions..

The second one isn't very complicated. If the course change is only due to a perpenticular acceleration, you can simply apply the vector triangle to the velocity vectors. In that case is means, that [tex]v_y = sin(30°) v_x = .5 \cdot v_x[/tex]. Does that get you where you want to get?
 
In your first problem the work done by gravity accelerating the block must be equal to the work done by the rug stopping it.
[tex]W_{Rug} = W_{Fall}[/tex]

Remember W=fd

What is the force on the falling object?
What is the distance?

See if you can get to the solution with these hints.
 
You also have to assume (and it doesn't strike me as completely realistic) that the 1 cm. pad stops the brick IN EXACTLY 1 cm. and the 5 cm. pad stops the brick IN EXACTLY 5 cm. At least those are the only distance measurements given and you have to know the distance in which the object stops.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 128 ·
5
Replies
128
Views
12K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K