Would Earth's Rotation Change If the Moon Exploded?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of the Moon exploding and its potential effects on Earth's rotation and orbit. Participants explore various aspects of this scenario, including gravitational influences, tidal locking, and the historical context of Earth's rotation rates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Moon's explosion would change Earth's orbit and water levels, questioning whether it would also affect Earth's rotational speed.
  • Another participant challenges the claim that the Moon orbits at the same speed as Earth's rotation, explaining that this would imply the Moon remains fixed over one spot on Earth, which it does not.
  • Some participants note that the Moon does affect Earth's rotation rate, gradually slowing it down as it moves further away, with fossil evidence indicating shorter days in the past.
  • It is mentioned that the Moon is tidally locked to Earth, and if the Moon were to disappear, Earth's rotation would stop slowing but would not change suddenly.
  • One participant quantifies the Moon's gravitational effect, stating it slows Earth's rotation by about 1.5 milliseconds per century, and discusses the implications of this deceleration ceasing.
  • A participant introduces the concept of conservation of momentum, arguing that the center of mass of the Moon would remain unchanged, suggesting no net effect on Earth initially.
  • Another participant corrects a previous claim about the time it takes for Earth's day to lengthen due to the Moon's influence, clarifying the correct figure as one hundred thousand years instead of one hundred million.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Moon's explosion, particularly regarding its effects on Earth's rotation and orbit. While some agree on the Moon's influence on Earth's rotation, there is no consensus on the specific outcomes of its hypothetical explosion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about gravitational effects and historical data on Earth's rotation, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of tidal locking and momentum conservation.

Neohaven
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Let's say, in an hypothetic situation, that the moon would explode to tiny bits.

What would happen to the earth?

I was said it would actually change:

The orbit of the Earth *duh!*
Water levels all around the world *duh!*

And the point I have a problem with is this last one...

It will change the Earth's rotational speed, this derived from the fact that the moon goes around the Earth at the same speed than the Earth revolves upon it's own axis... Is this true, or totally fallacious?

The person in question also mentioned studies regarding this possible fallacy...
 
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First we have the sun-exploding thread. Now we have the moon-exploding thread. What's with all this all of the sudden? Is someone running a crackpot website and posting all of these questions, while you guys bite the bait?

Zz.
 
"...the moon goes around the Earth at the same speed than the Earth revolves upon it's own axis..."

Think about this for a second. If the Moon overhead were orbiting at the same speed as the Earth rotates below, then the Moon would always hover over the same spot on Earth.

Does it? No. The Moon is in a different place overhead (and sometimes not at all) every day.

You should tell your friend to shut up until he knows what he's talking about.
 
DaveC426913 said:
"...the moon goes around the Earth at the same speed than the Earth revolves upon it's own axis..."

Think about this for a second. If the Moon overhead were orbiting at the same speed as the Earth rotates below, then the Moon would always hover over the same spot on Earth.

Does it? No. The Moon is in a different place overhead (and sometimes not at all) every day.

You should tell your friend to shut up until he knows what he's talking about.

*chuckle* Aye, that was about what I was going to tell him. hehe
 
Hold on, doesn't the Moon affect the Earth's rotation rate anyway?
Isn't it slowing down as the Moon moves further away from us?
(Fossils show the Earth's day was much shorter in prehistoric times when the Moon was closer.)
 
Earth's rotation rate, and Moon's orbit are gradually synchronising.
It's called 'tidal locking'
The Moon is already tidally locked to the Earth (we always see the same face of the Moon, all but a slight rocking - called 'libration')

I suppose if the Moon were suddenly vapourised, then the Earth's rotation would stop slowing.

But it ain't going to happen...
 
So the moon DOES affect the Earth's rotational speed?
 
Neohaven said:
So the moon DOES affect the Earth's rotational speed?

Yes, it slows it down very slowly, but if you remove the moon, the rotation speed will not suddenly change, it will just stop slowing down.
 
Just for perspective; the Moon's gravitational "drag" slows the Earth's rotation by about 1.5 milliseconds per century. it takes a hundred million years for the Earth's "day" to get a second-and-a-half longer. If this deceleration were to cease, then a hundred million years from now a day will be just as long as it is today, rather than 1.5 seconds longer.

We live with this deceleration every day of our lives. However, if it were to suddenly dissapear, I don't think anyone would fall over! Of course, here in Michigan, we just moved our clocks back one hour yesterday (Sunday); I wonder if that would get messed up?
 
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If the moon exploded, by conservation of momentum, the center of mass of the moon would remain in the same place. So there would be no net effect

:P

(For a little while at any rate...)
 
  • #11
Well, if the Earth rotation slows down for about 1.5 milliseconds(1.5x10^-3 sec; per day) in one century it would take 100.000 years(1000 centuries) until the day would be 1.5 seconds longer.
 
  • #12
Ooops! You're absolutely right, sstone. I missplaced my decimal, did microseconds instead of milliseconds; one hundred thousand years is the correct figure not one hundred million.

Thanks for catching that.
 

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