Show Peculiar Solution for Classical Equation of Motion for Harmonic Oscillator

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a specific function, q_{c}(t), is a solution to the classical equation of motion for a harmonic oscillator. The context involves differentiating the function and understanding its relation to boundary conditions.

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of q_{c}(t) and its validity as a solution. Questions arise about the necessity of understanding the motivation behind the specific form of the solution and its implications in the context of path integrals.

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Some participants suggest that demonstrating the validity of q_{c}(t) as a solution may suffice, while others emphasize the importance of boundary conditions in confirming it as "the" solution. There is a recognition of the need to understand the underlying principles and motivations for the chosen form of the solution.

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Participants note the relevance of boundary conditions in determining the uniqueness of the solution and express a desire to develop a deeper understanding of the equations involved.

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[tex]q_{c}(t)=\frac{1}{\sinh \omega \tau} }[ q' \sinh{\omega(t''-t)} + q'' \sinh{\omega(t-t')} ][/tex]

is the solution to the classical equation of motion for the harmonic oscillator

[tex]\ddot {q}_{c}(t)-\omega^{2}q_{c}(t)=0[/tex]

where [tex]q_{c}(t)[/tex] is the position vector, [tex]\tau = t'' - t'[/tex], [tex]q_{c}(t')=q'[/tex], [tex]q_{c}(t'')=q''[/tex] and [tex]\ddot {q}_{c}(t)[/tex] is the double time derivative of [tex]q_{c}(t)[/tex]

I can differentiate [tex]q_{c}(t)[/tex] twice with respect to time easily enough to show that that the first equation is a solution to the equation of motion but there are many functions that satisfy this.

How do I show that it's the solution?

I've tried solving the equation of motion directly but I can't find any way to solve it so that I end up with [tex]q_{c}(t)[/tex] as a funciton of t, t', t'', q' and q''. (For example the way everyone is usually taught to solve it, you simply end up with a sin function of t multiplied by an amplitude..)

Any help/suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to read this :)
 
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alfredblase said:
How do I show that it's the solution?

Do you really think that is what it is asking you to do?

I think that if you have shown that q_c(t) is a valid solution, then you are done.
 
hmm.. the book I'm following (Jean Zinn Justins QFT and critical phenomena) is "calculating the classical action explicitly" and one of the steps along the way is finding that [tex]q_{c}(t)[/tex] is as given.

perhaps you are right.. strictly speaking I have found that this form of [tex]q_{c}(t)[/tex] is valid but shouldn't I really understand the motivation behind using that particular solution? To be honest I think the book should be telling me that, but there's no reason given other than we find the solution to be thus.. I can't help feeling I'm missing something..

EDIT: perhaps the motivation is that this form has all the bits that define the path integral? (In the overall scheme of things we're applying a path integral with the action for a harmonic oscillator)
 
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Hi alfred, it is appropriate to say "the" instead of "a" because there are boundary conditions specified. In other words, you require that q_c satisfy the differential equation and have the value q' at t' and q'' at t''. As you no doubt recall from the theory of linear second order differential equations, solutions to such equations contain two constants of integration. These are fixed by the two boundary conditions. If you had not specified initial data or boundary conditions, then it would only make sense to say you had found a solution to the differential equation. The application of boundary conditions turns the "a" into a "the".

Hope this helps.
 
ohh i see now! how stupid of me. I should have at least thought of putting the values t' and t'' into the solution and thus seen that q_c satisfies those boundary conditions. doh!

grr i really need to develop these basic instincts when looking at equations and learn to play with them, and understand what they are telling me :D

oh well, thank you physics monkey!
 
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