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Dissident Dan
Feb22-04, 10:31 PM
I have the next new wonder-fad in weight loss:
The Smoker's Weight Loss Plan(tm)!
Everyone knows that smoking can make you lose weight. My plan calls for smoking at least 2 packs per day. You'll be shedding the pounds in no time! (Whether fat or muscle)
Sure, it makes you stink. Sure, it causes cancer. Sure, it causes heart disease. So, that should put it on par with Atkins and other low-carb diets.
cookiemonster
Feb23-04, 12:08 AM
That's kind of like the weight-loss plan that involves amputation of nonvital appendages.
cookiemonster
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb23-04, 06:14 AM
Lets see, you would need guarantee that it works right? anyone know how to spell L-A-W-S-U-I-T for Non performance of product claim...Smoked for years and had easily been able to gain weight while smoking, had a little bit of a problem losing it, well, not really, ~2500 Kms (~1500 Miles) on a bicycle in ~34 days did the trick quite nicely, waaaaaaaay better then smoking ever could!
i think you have incorrect information...smoking doesn't cause you to lose weight, but you can expect to gain weight once you quit...
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb23-04, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Kerrie
i think you have incorrect information...smoking doesn't cause you to lose weight, but you can expect to gain weight once you quit... I agree, as that was, sorta, what I was making, as a point. I had gotten Fatter, myself, while a smoker, it means nothing to weight to smoke...slight loss of appetite (perhaps) which can easily be overcome...as for the quitting part, I've no idea of that ones effects, least not yet, not in an environment, or situation, of my life, that would be condusive to quitting smoking, cheese!
Monique
Feb23-04, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
I have the next new wonder-fad in weight loss: How about healthy eating and some exercise?
Monique
Feb23-04, 12:32 PM
Smoking also causes decreased lung capacity, resulting in being out of breath, leading to taking the elevator or car, effectively decreasing exercise levels, slowing metabolism and ultimately giving weight gain [g)]
He, smoking makes you lose weight, one lung each pack!
Monique
Feb23-04, 02:18 PM
Actually, the tar would make you gain weight [g)]
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb23-04, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Monique
How about healthy eating and some exercise? GREAT Idea!! and No Smoking!
zoobyshoe
Feb23-04, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Monique
Smoking also causes decreased lung capacity, resulting in being out of breath, leading to taking the elevator or car, effectively decreasing exercise levels, slowing metabolism and ultimately giving weight gain [g)]
This is exactly right, and describes what is happening to me the older I get. Still smoking and decreased tolerance for excercise, leading to more sitting around. Getting a gut. Internet is the clincher. Why leave the house anymore when I can access people from all over the world from home?
phatmonky
Feb23-04, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Monique
Smoking also causes decreased lung capacity, resulting in being out of breath, leading to taking the elevator or car, effectively decreasing exercise levels, slowing metabolism and ultimately giving weight gain [g)]
psshhht, whatever doesn't kill you,makes you stronger.
Sooooo, smoke and run, smoke and run. Then stop smoking and your lungs will be so strong!! You'll be able to run forever! [a)]
Dissident Dan
Feb24-04, 01:20 AM
Did everyone miss my scathing criticism?
Monique
Feb24-04, 03:25 AM
We just like to be difficult [6)]
People say smoking causes weight loss but I haven't seen anything proving that claim. The vast majority of women I see smoking are overweight. I only know the stats on women because I'm not looking at smokers; I'm looking at women [:D].
Dissident Dan
Feb25-04, 12:19 AM
I really don't know the effects of smoking on weight. It's just hearsay. But that isn't the point. Replace smoking with some comparably bad thing that causes weight loss. Perhaps constantly getting fevers.
My point was about the Atkins Diet and other low-carb diets...
What you said wasn't exactly 100% true in the first post. You said low carb diets cause heart problems and things like that. That show 20/20 looked at the atkins diet once. People on it did indeed lose weight, but the thing more interesting was the change in cholesterol. People on that diet had higher amounts of good cholester (which is a good thing) but also had higher amounts of bad cholester (bad thing). It was not exactly determined whether the diet was healthy or not because the affects of the good cholesterol sort of cancel out the bad.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb25-04, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by ShawnD
People say smoking causes weight loss but I haven't seen anything proving that claim. The vast majority of women I see smoking are overweight. I only know the stats on women because I'm not looking at smokers; I'm looking at women [:D]. As has already been noted, it is a slight appetite suppressant....cigarettes that is...
They should try coke, aparently it's a really strong suppresant (sp?) [g)]
Dissident Dan
Feb25-04, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by ShawnD
What you said wasn't exactly 100% true in the first post. You said low carb diets cause heart problems and things like that. That show 20/20 looked at the atkins diet once. People on it did indeed lose weight, but the thing more interesting was the change in cholesterol. People on that diet had higher amounts of good cholester (which is a good thing) but also had higher amounts of bad cholester (bad thing). It was not exactly determined whether the diet was healthy or not because the affects of the good cholesterol sort of cancel out the bad.
The thing about the atkins is that it may have some weird short-term effects, but long term, it is going to increase cholesterol. It's going to increase risk of heart disease, cardiovascular disease, kidney failure, and several types of cancer, including colon cancer.
People who go low-carb generally have high extremely intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol, which contribute to heart and cardiovascular problems. The animal protein contributes to cancer.
I just find it funny that people will believe anything, like "carbs are bad". Carbohydrates are not bad. They're essential to good health. They are the preferred source of food for the brain. If you replace most of your carbs with fat, that means that you are getting wayyyyy too much fat. The same goes for protein, although it would be really hard to up your dose of protein enough to replace carb intake, except maybe with protein supplements. Also, I'm willing to be that most weight loss in these programs is due to reduced caloric intake (no bun, drink only water, etc.), rather than type of calories. After all, the thermic value of fat is way lower than that of complex carbohydrates, meaning that less percentage of the total food intake has to be burned to store fat as fat than to store carbs as fat.
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
I just find it funny that people will believe anything, like "carbs are bad". Carbohydrates are not bad. They're essential to good health. They are the preferred source of food for the brain. If you replace most of your carbs with fat, that means that you are getting wayyyyy too much fat. The same goes for protein, although it would be really hard to up your dose of protein enough to replace carb intake, except maybe with protein supplements. Also, I'm willing to be that most weight loss in these programs is due to reduced caloric intake (no bun, drink only water, etc.), rather than type of calories. After all, the thermic value of fat is way lower than that of complex carbohydrates, meaning that less percentage of the total food intake has to be burned to store fat as fat than to store carbs as fat.
It's not about eating the same amount of protein as carbohydrates though. Your body handles carbs in a funny way that causes a lot of overeating to happen.
1. you eat carbs
2. your blood sugar goes up
3. insulin converts glucose to glycogen
4. blood sugar goes down
5. glucagon converts glycogen to glucose AND you get hungry
Many people who eat lots of carbs get used to having a sort of sugar high. When that high goes away, those people eat more food even though they really don't need it (they get used to high blood sugar). That's where the problem comes in.
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
I really don't know the effects of smoking on weight. It's just hearsay. But that isn't the point. Replace smoking with some comparably bad thing that causes weight loss. Perhaps constantly getting fevers.
My point was about the Atkins Diet and other low-carb diets...
the atkins diet is a total fad, and it DOES work, i have seen proof of it, however i don't believe it should be a long term way of nutrition...what i find hilarious is that Dr. Atkins himself was 40 lbs overweight and had severe heart disease when they did his autopsy...living, er dying proof...
i do believe there is some truth to the whole refined sugar diet...soda, pastries, cookies, chips are all foods that will add fat to the body, but are highly addictive...you can't go wrong with whole grains, vegetables, fruit and fish...
He probably couldn't stick to his diet. He's been selling that diet for a real long time, at least 20 years. I can't imagine going 20 years on just meat. Pineapple and cantelope are so good [:)]
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb25-04, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by ShawnD
They should try coke, aparently it's a really strong suppresant (sp?) [g)] Ummmm maybe something like "short grain brown rice" would be a more sensible suggestion....Coke? (Yikes!)
Eat rice to lose weight? Oh man are you on coke?
Rice is as bad as pasta; it's pure starch. If you want to cut back on caloric intake, definitely stay away from rice.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb25-04, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by ShawnD
Eat rice to lose weight? Oh man are you on coke?
Rice is as bad as pasta; it's pure starch. If you want to cut back on caloric intake, definitely stay away from rice. Dietary ignorance is fun for you, is it, do you even know what Short grain Brown rice is? (Glutenous Rice) aside from that it is about appetite supression and it does do that....and, am I on coke? NO! I'm obviously not the one with that thought coming from his brain, now am I?
Dissident Dan
Feb25-04, 08:01 PM
For one thing, complex carbohydrates generally do not cause the same high level of blood sugar rise that refined sugars do. Refer yourself to the glycemic index for specifics.
Anyway, the point is not whether or not the diet works for short-term weight loss. It is the fact that it is extremely unhealthy. That is why I made the comparison to cigarette smoking. Perhaps you could compare it to weight-loss drugs marketted on T.V. Sure, you can lose weight, but at what cost? And does it even work long-term, say 5 years?
zoobyshoe
Feb25-04, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by ShawnD
Eat rice to lose weight? Oh man are you on coke?
Rice is as bad as pasta; it's pure starch. If you want to cut back on caloric intake, definitely stay away from rice.
So that's why all those asians are so fat. Who knew?
Dissident Dan
Feb25-04, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by zoobyshoe
So that's why all those asians are so fat. Who knew?
Yeah, they have a much higher percentage of their calories from carbohydraes, yet they do not have the epidemic fatness that we have.
Originally posted by zoobyshoe
So that's why all those asians are so fat. Who knew?
That's a rather ignorant comment. You're saying rice is a healthy choice because there are not as many fat Asians? Ok then I can say meat is healthy because people in Germany don't have major weight problems. Pasta is healthy because people in Italy don't have major weight problems. I could say that almost any diet in the world is a good diet. The US has a unique problem with weight.
Dietary ignorance is fun for you, is it, do you even know what Short grain Brown rice is? (Glutenous Rice) aside from that it is about appetite supression and it does do that
Are you listening to what you are saying? You just said that rice is good because it's an appetite suppressant. ALL food suppresses appetite. If you are hungry and you eat a steak, you will no longer be hungry. If you eat pasta, you will no longer be hungry.
Sure, you can lose weight, but at what cost? And does it even work long-term, say 5 years?
I've known a lot of people who have tried the Atkins diet but I've only known 1 to stay with it for many years. The guy was on the Atkins diet for 8 years (this was a few years ago) and it still worked.
Atkins is not for everybody though. I need lots of carbs in my diet. Lack of carbs (for me) causes a feeling of tiredness.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Feb26-04, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by ShawnD
Are you listening to what you are saying? You just said that rice is good because it's an appetite suppressant. ALL food suppresses appetite. If you are hungry and you eat a steak, you will no longer be hungry. If you eat pasta, you will no longer be hungry.
Do you know what you are talking about? the difference between foods that you eat, and have a 'normal' full feeling from, and foods that you eat that HAVE a dietary "appetite supression" component, over and above the feeling of being full...probably because you have never eaten any of it...
Aside from that, your comment to Zoobyshoe clearly tells only of you, as it is a reflection of you, not him, cause not a chance is that either, an 'ignorant' comment, nor an avoidable fact of reality, that demonstrates, (from long historical use) that, generally speaking, Rice is NOT something that people get really overweight, from eating....but, apparently(?), you just want to argue that.... [g)]
Dissident Dan
Mar20-04, 04:08 PM
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/60634.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}
So the diagnosis is correct: we are eating too many simple carbohydrates. But the cure is wrong. The solution is not to go from simple carbohydrates to pork rinds and bacon, but from simple carbohydrates to whole foods with complex carbohydrates like whole wheat, brown rice, and fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes in their natural forms.
These foods are naturally high in fiber, which slows their absorption, preventing a rapid rise in blood sugar. Fiber also fills you up before you eat too many calories, whereas you can eat large amounts of sugar without feeling full. Best of all, these foods contain at least 1,000 substances that have anti-cancer, anti-heart disease, and anti-aging properties.
....
When you eat a diet that is predominately complex carbohydrates, you get all of the weight-loss benefits of a high-protein diet and then some, since you don't provoke an insulin response, and you are eating foods that are much less dense in calories. Fat has nine calories per gram, whereas protein and carbohydrates have only four, so when you eat less fat you eat fewer calories without having to eat less food. And instead of mortgaging your health you are enhancing it. Some people are able to lose weight by smoking cigarettes, but that is not the best way to do it.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar20-04, 07:17 PM
[a)] Thanks...
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/60634.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348} This is EXACTLY the sort of diet I am on now, and I have shed 22 pounds since New Year's without suffering or sacrifice. I would have lost more, but I have backslid a few times. Still, averaging about 2 pounds a week while occasionally slipping seems pretty good to me.
I eat all day, which seems to really be the key. I alternate meals and snacks every 2-3 hours all day long, so I am never that hungry, and I actually have noticed my appetite shrinking. Last weekend I went something like 10 hours without eating because I was so busy, and when I got home I fixed myself a HUGE meal. I ate maybe 10% more than my normal portion, and absolutely couldn't force mysef to take another bite.
Originally posted by Zero
This is EXACTLY the sort of diet I am on now, and I have shed 22 pounds since New Year's without suffering or sacrifice. I would have lost more, but I have backslid a few times. Still, averaging about 2 pounds a week while occasionally slipping seems pretty good to me.
Be careful not to lose too much too fast. At least you are on a healthy sensible diet.
So, is this a leaner, meaner zero? [6)]
I can't stand the Atkins diet...the theory that you cut out refined carbs is accurate, but don't double up on the fats and load up on the meat so much...Lately my diet consists of cheeses, Kashi cereal (it's soooo good), soy milk (regular milk makes me sick), oranges and LOTS of green veggies...chicken and fish dot my diet once to twice a week too...I completely avoid sodas-even diet-but still have a weakness for my morning cup of coffee...I do indulge in good chocolate every so often, but stay away from the quick sugar snacks...
Originally posted by Evo
Be careful not to lose too much too fast. At least you are on a healthy sensible diet.
So, is this a leaner, meaner zero? [6)] Let's not even talk about me being meaner...I'm not quite as lean as I would like, I'm aiming for about 12% bodyfat. When I get down to my goal, I'll be sure to post pictures of me in bodybuilder poses, all shaved-chest and oiled body...[g)]
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar20-04, 08:40 PM
I'd heard men can get it as low as 2%...don't know about Akins, heard a little though...the rest, 'my' diet, I have no control over...
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
I'd heard men can get it as low as 2%...don't know about Akins, heard a little though...the rest, 'my' diet, I have no control over... 2% bodyfat isn't really healthy, that's starvation territory there. Your body needs a certain amount of fat just to operate day to day.
Originally posted by Zero
Let's not even talk about me being meaner...I'm not quite as lean as I would like, I'm aiming for about 12% bodyfat. When I get down to my goal, I'll be sure to post pictures of me in bodybuilder poses, all shaved-chest and oiled body...[g)] Promises...promises... [6)]
I find a sharp mind and ascerbic wit extremely attractive on it's own. [:))]
Originally posted by Evo
Promises...promises... [6)]
I find a sharp mind and ascerbic wit extremely attractive on it's own. [:))] Right...but a sharp mind is nothing without a flat tummy. [g)]
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar21-04, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Zero
2% bodyfat isn't really healthy, that's starvation territory there. Your body needs a certain amount of fat just to operate day to day. It's when you get down to just a brain, left, as body 'fat'...the rest you can get simply from eating daily...whatever that means (hee hee [6)] )
Originally posted by Zero
Let's not even talk about me being meaner...I'm not quite as lean as I would like, I'm aiming for about 12% bodyfat. When I get down to my goal, I'll be sure to post pictures of me in bodybuilder poses, all shaved-chest and oiled body...[g)]
What BF are you at now? How tall are you?
I am unsure if you were being sarcastic about the bodybuilder part, but if you weren't, 12% won't look very good oiled up.
Originally posted by samoth
What BF are you at now? How tall are you?
I am unsure if you were being sarcastic about the bodybuilder part, but if you weren't, 12% won't look very good oiled up. I was just kidding about getting oily...jeez, how cheesy would that be?
I'm 5'7", 210, and about 18% bodyfat...when I get down to about 180 and 10% bodyfat, I'll be just about perfect.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar22-04, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Zero
I was just kidding about getting oily...jeez, how cheesy would that be?
I'm 5'7", 210, and about 18% bodyfat...when I get down to about 180 and 10% bodyfat, I'll be just about perfect. Yikes!! I'm 5' 11" and bout 180 lbs, sink when I exhale in a pool of water, barely float, just the very last inch of my head, when I have lungs full of air...don't know what percentage that actually is, but I've not alot of body fat....
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Yikes!! I'm 5' 11" and bout 180 lbs, sink when I exhale in a pool of water, barely float, just the very last inch of my head, when I have lungs full of air...don't know what percentage that actually is, but I've not alot of body fat....
Yeah, well...my chest-to-waist ratio is really good...I can carry 180 and look really really buff, you know? I sink pretty well myself, I've got a 50" chest though...
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar22-04, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Zero
Yeah, well...my chest-to-waist ratio is really good...I can carry 180 and look really really buff, you know? I sink pretty well myself, I've got a 50" chest though... YIKES!! [o)]
...well, not really, but..... [6)]
It's not my fault I'm built like a tank, is it?
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar22-04, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Zero
It's not my fault I'm built like a tank, is it? YUP [6)] ENTIRELY [6)] DEFINATELY [6)] who else but...right? (or left?)
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar22-04, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Zero
[:(]
Awwwww, sorry... [*(] [b(]
Originally posted by Zero
I was just kidding about getting oily...jeez, how cheesy would that be?
I'm 5'7", 210, and about 18% bodyfat...when I get down to about 180 and 10% bodyfat, I'll be just about perfect.
Actually, I am a competitive powerlifter, so I wasn't implying anything 'cheesy' with posing. If I had better upper body symmetry, I would be oiled up on stage myself.
You have decent stats... but taking yourself down to 180 will be a lot of hard work if you plan to do so whilst conserving muscle. Well, hard to do naturally, at least.
Do you lift weights, do a lot or cardio, or participate in any athletics?
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar23-04, 05:18 AM
Heck I got from 220 plus to less the 180 in less then 35 days (not really healthy and I do NOT recommend it) by riding a bicycle from Kingston Ontario, to Carman Manitoba, in ~34 (or 35) days, back in Ninty-nine....last century...not enough food, but maintained muscle mass(es)....
Originally posted by samoth
Actually, I am a competitive powerlifter, so I wasn't implying anything 'cheesy' with posing. If I had better upper body symmetry, I would be oiled up on stage myself.
You have decent stats... but taking yourself down to 180 will be a lot of hard work if you plan to do so whilst conserving muscle. Well, hard to do naturally, at least.
Do you lift weights, do a lot or cardio, or participate in any athletics? I lift, I ride my bike for about an hour 4-5 days a week, and go for long walks every Sunday. I'm just combating years of neglect, I expect the weight will be gone by the end of the summer.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar23-04, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Zero
I lift, I ride my bike for about an hour 4-5 days a week, and go for long walks every Sunday. I'm just combating years of neglect, I expect the weight will be gone by the end of the summer. Keep that 'head bleed' that your avie shows, and you'll be a lot less then that, sooner [g)] [8)] [*(]
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar23-04, 07:59 AM
Wrote a book, years back, never published, the advice I gave on 'diet' was simple, excersize, cause you can eat pretty well anything, or everything, you want, if you get enough good/healthy excersize, and then you will figure out, for yourself, that way, that nutrition counts...energy...
Recall when I was overweight, didn't like it, felt tired more often, harder just to get up out of a chair, or seat, warmer too, body fat seemed to store more heat differently, but when you get cold, OOHHHH it is COLD...didn't like the way I Looked, either, but that was sorta really low on the "list" (no list! just thoughts)...
Best be healthy, and in a 'timely' manner...
Originally posted by Zero
I lift, I ride my bike for about an hour 4-5 days a week, and go for long walks every Sunday. I'm just combating years of neglect, I expect the weight will be gone by the end of the summer.
What kind of weight lifting do you do? Just casual?
I really recommend looking into powerlifting. Not so much as to push heavy weights around, but more because PLing really concentrates on your 'core', specifically, your lower back. I hear so many people, young and old, comment about back pain. A strong back will benefit a person for life.
Further, it concentrates on compound movements. This gives a more permanent physique change when compared to, for example, the lifting college kids do around me -- bicep curls followed by bench press with feet dangling in front and poised to hump the ceiling. Really, what is the point of doing bicep curls for years on end, other than attention from others?
Just a suggestion... important exercises and form are too often neglected for ego and attention.
Oh yeah... 50" chest? Dang... I'm jealous!
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Wrote a book, years back, never published, the advice I gave on 'diet' was simple, excersize, cause you can eat pretty well anything, or everything, you want, if you get enough good/healthy excersize, and then you will figure out, for yourself, that way, that nutrition counts...energy...
I tell people the same thing. People don't realize the extent to which this is true. I tell people this, and they just laugh it off.
Recall when I was overweight, didn't like it, felt tired more often, harder just to get up out of a chair, or seat, warmer too, body fat seemed to store more heat differently, but when you get cold, OOHHHH it is COLD...didn't like the way I Looked, either, but that was sorta really low on the "list" (no list! just thoughts)...
When I bulk up in the winter, I feel the same way. My summer/competition weight is 195, and I usually hit 225ish during the winters. Only thing is, I never get cold. I sweat walking to class in the middle of winter. Then again, my body isn't naturally 225 punds either, so maybe that's it's way of protesting!
Best be healthy, and in a 'timely' manner...
Wise words.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Mar24-04, 07:17 PM
Got to read an excellant article in a recent edition of Mens Health magazine, called "Kill Bob"...about the corporeal effects of starvation...ie some of the Irish hunger strikers were some of the sources of information, the Holocaust surviors (inadvertently) added as well...and a doctors advise...too...
Apparently 4 (to 7) days, your carb reserves are gone, and your body is now in 'muscle depletion (self canabalisation) mode'...damage can (potentially) be done to several of the internal organs, the Brain (hence cognitive skills) suffers, as it's only fuel is glucose, (and your outa that) lots of other "symptoms" that are associated with this activity, making it an activity that is NOT doctor recomended...least not by the one associated with that article...
So diet is important! so is excersize! and, not unlike a guitar, (Buddha's example) it needs be balanced to be properly tuned...
and if you fast...for a day...that should be OK, but no more(?)....
(It is your choice, But I would recomend against prolonged)
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
...
Apparently 4 (to 7) days, your carb reserves are gone, and your body is now in 'muscle depletion (self canabalisation) mode'...damage can (potentially) be done to several of the internal organs, the Brain (hence cognitive skills) suffers, as it's only fuel is glucose, (and your outa that) lots of other "symptoms" that are associated with this activity, making it an activity that is NOT doctor recomended...
Interesting. There is something similar within competitive bodybuilding rings. The original model (first within the weightlifting scene) was proposed in a book called "Dirty Dieting" by Dan Duchain. Basically a diet book for people that weren't fat. It involved entering ketosis through extreme carb depletion, and was done in a specific 6 day cycle of depletion, ketosis, and carb-up.
So diet is important! so is excersize! and, not unlike a guitar, (Buddha's example) it needs be balanced to be properly tuned...
and if you fast...for a day...that should be OK, but no more(?)....
(It is your choice, But I would recomend against prolonged)
I don't know how much truth there is to this, but I have heard that fasting can actually be healthy and increase longevity. Granted, nothing extreme.
The_Professional
Apr4-04, 10:48 PM
Here's a simple fitness plan:
30-45 minutes moderate pace on a treadmill, bike or stairclimber
3-4 times a week
Cut down on carbs late at night. Don't eat 2 hours before you sleep
Mr. Robin Parsons
Apr5-04, 05:43 AM
Here's a simple fitness plan:
30-45 minutes moderate pace on a treadmill, bike or stairclimber
3-4 times a week
Cut down on carbs late at night. Don't eat 2 hours before you sleep
Hummm yeah try SIX hours before bed as, once asleep, your digestive systems slows to such a crawl rate that, effectively, the food has more of a chance of rotting in you then being absorbed as digestant, fruits especially as they are/tend to be acidic, and break down (or rot....yes, inside of you, they can) quickly.....
Brekie like a King, lunch like a Prince, dinner like a pauper...
Brekie like a Queen, lunch lke a Princess, dinner like a Pauper...
Exercise??...YUP! only way....:cool:
The_Professional
Apr5-04, 12:10 PM
Hummm yeah try SIX hours before bed as, once asleep, your digestive systems slows to such a crawl rate that, effectively, the food has more of a chance of rotting in you then being absorbed as digestant, fruits especially as they are/tend to be acidic, and break down (or rot....yes, inside of you, they can) quickly.....
Not eating 2 hours before is hard enough for most people. 6 hours is fasting LOL
Mr. Robin Parsons
Apr5-04, 08:51 PM
For myself that had been (/is, as best as I can control things) the way I liked it, then again, if your a little bit hungry 4 hrs prior, just eat a piece of cake, a big one, it's sugar, so you'll probably use most it up before bed... (but NOT fruit{y} cake!)
...Lets Them Eat cake! WooooHooo!
The_Professional
Apr5-04, 10:11 PM
Cake would be incredibly difficult to burn 2 hours prior, Yikes. It would certainly kill the definition of the abs and raise glycemic index.
I find that doing some workout before sleeping helps.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Apr6-04, 05:46 AM
Sugar goes through fairly quickly, and dependant upon type, and quantity, can be a deficeit food on the energy graph, half an hour (+) of boost, followed by a lowering of energy level, due to metabolic requirements, that can exceed the energy gain from the food itself.....plus I had said four hours, and working out that close to bedtime, well, I sleep better if I "rest" (rather then 'pump' {IRON!}) a little, prior to bedtime.....
why not just crawl into a whisky bottle and live there for a while? Would make you lose weight.
Actually, i did find that drinking a a cup of young virgin's blood is good for weight loss. Keeps me looking 19 and everyone knows they have good metabolism, so it's a win-win situation.... apart from for the young virgin.
Mr. Robin Parsons
Apr6-04, 09:04 PM
Living in a whiskey bottle isn't living, it's slow, laborious, death by cumulative damages...better just to eat healthy, and marry well (personality wise)
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