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s4orce
Jan30-07, 07:36 PM
A particle is moving along a straight line such that its acceleration is defined as a=(4s^2)m/s^2, where s is in meters. If v=-100m/s when s=10m and t=0, determine the particles velocity as a function of position.

Now I'm taking the integral of a but when I plug in the other parts, it doesn't work out. I think I'm doing something wrong.

Someone please comment on how-to approach this problem step by step thanks!

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 07:39 PM
a(t)= \frac{d(s')}{dt} =4s^2

Move over dt integrate, set the limits, and solve.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 07:41 PM
Can you explain a little further please?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 07:42 PM
Which part?

What dynamics book are you using? There should be a problem similar to this given somewhere as an example.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 07:43 PM
after moving over dt to integrate, how did you approach it from there

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 07:44 PM
what do you mean? Show me some work please.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 07:48 PM
how can i post the work here?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 07:48 PM
Type out what you got and what you did.

You can use [tex] and [ / tex] tags to make it look nicer.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:01 PM
integral 4s^2 = (4s^3)/3

s=10

4(10^3)/3 = 1333.33

1333.33/10 = 133.33 = particle velocity at x position

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:04 PM
Are you familiar with the definition of acceleration?

Which class is this HW for?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:06 PM
It is for a dynamics class, I just want to get a head start on a set of problems that were given to me

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:09 PM
I think you need to review the basics of dynamics. What it means when they say acceleration, velocity, and position.

I think you need to solidify the fundamentals before doing this HW. You should know better that acceleration is the second derivative of position by now.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:10 PM
so you cant help me?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:12 PM
Sure, tell me what the definition of acceleration is, and look for your mistake.

I can point out mistakes, but im not going to teach you fundamentals. :wink:

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:17 PM
can you solve it and I can find my mistake, or post how.

also acceleration is the rate at which a object increases/changes its velocity(speed)

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:19 PM
Ah, Im sorry. Its asking for velocity as a function of position. I was thinking you had to integrate twice.

What you need to do: set up your limits of integration.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:20 PM
?????????????????

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:21 PM
Do you know what limits of integration are?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:31 PM
yes integral from one value to another

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:33 PM
so what are your value you used?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:36 PM
0 to 10.............

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:38 PM
What happened to the limits on the integral of the velocity?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:43 PM
-100x? that one?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:44 PM
When integrating, you always have two limits. Two for position, two for velocity. What are the two limits for the integral of velocity?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:48 PM
im confused man...

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:53 PM
\int^v_{-100}

Remember, I said you must have an upper and lower limit of integration.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 08:55 PM
can you just show me how you approac it please?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 08:59 PM
Sure, give me a second. I made another mistake reading the problem. Sorry!

s4orce
Jan30-07, 09:00 PM
ok thanks!

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 09:10 PM
Ok, it was tricky. Had to crack open my dynamics book from a few semesters ago!

Here is the trick:

V=\frac{ds}{dt}

Also,

a=\frac{dv}{dt}

If you solve each of these for \frac{1}{dt} you will get:

a*ds=v*dv

Now set your limits of integration and replace your relation for acceleration -a

\int^s_{10} 4s^2 ds = \int^V_{-100}vdv

Is this clear?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 09:14 PM
and then plug in what?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 09:15 PM
What do you mean "plug in"?

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 09:17 PM
With these problems, you have to read them very carefully, or you will make mistakes. (Like I did when I misread it twice).

A particle is moving along a straight line such that its acceleration is defined as a=(4s^2)m/s^2, where s is in meters. If v=-100m/s when s=10m and t=0, determine the particles velocity as a function of position.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 09:22 PM
how can i determine that :)

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 09:39 PM
determine what?

s4orce
Jan30-07, 10:09 PM
determine the particles velocity as a function of position

Cyrus
Jan30-07, 10:20 PM
Integrate that function I gave you.

s4orce
Jan30-07, 10:25 PM
alright, i'll do that