How Does Friction Affect the Motion of Blocks and a Pulley System?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block and pulley system, focusing on the effects of friction on motion. The original poster describes a scenario with a 4kg block on a ledge connected to a 2kg hanging block, with specific parameters including the coefficient of friction and the pulley characteristics. The problem includes calculating the speed of the falling block and the angular velocity of the pulley.

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  • Participants discuss the role of friction in the energy equations, questioning how to incorporate the work done by friction into the calculations. There are attempts to derive expressions for work and force related to friction, and some participants suggest revisiting the energy equation to include these terms.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculations and the implications of friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of the energy equation, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to account for friction in the overall analysis.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the effects of friction and how it alters the energy balance. There is an emphasis on ensuring all forces, including friction, are considered in the calculations.

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A 4kg block resting on a horizontal ledge is attached to his right to a string that passes over a pulley and is attached to a hanging 2kg block. The coefficient of friction between the ledge and the 4kg block is 0.25. The pulley is a uniform disk of radius 8cm and mass 0.6kg. a) Find the speed of the 2kg block after it falls from the rest a distance of 2.5m. b) What is the angular velocity of the pulley at this time?


Delta K + Delta U = 0
Because Ki=Uf = 0
½(m+M)v^2+1/2(I,pulley)w^2-mgh=0
½(m+M)v^2+1/2(1/2MR^2)(v^2/R^2)-mgh=0

so v = sqroot(2mgh/(M+m+1/2M,p))
v = sqroot(2(2kg)(9.81)(2.5)/(4kg+2kg+1/2(0.6kg))) =3.95m/s


b) w= v/r = (3.95m/s)/0.08m) = 49.5rad/s

I did solve it without the 0.25 coefficient of fiction though may you help me please?
 
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How much work does the friction do?
 
49.5rad/s * 0.25?
 
No.

Work = Force X Distance

It will be an extra term in the energy equation.
 
The work done by friction is going to be force times distance.

This would be easier to illustrate with a drawing, but it's going to be:
[tex]F_f=mg\mu_k[/tex]
so
[tex]F_f=4 (9.81) 0.25=9.81[/tex]
mow
[tex]W_f=9.81*2.5[/tex]
you can plug that into your energy equation:
[tex]\frac{1}{2}(m_1+m_2)v^2+\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2+W_f-mgh=0[/tex]

I think you've got the math under control from there.
 
thank you very much, I got it.
 
In response to your post:

[tex]E_{final}=E_{inital}[/tex]

The work done by friction typically ends up as a temeperature change on the [tex]E_{final}[/tex] side. It's just one more thing that you need to account for in the energy equation
 

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