Physics Problem: Velocity of Satellite 230km Above Earth?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the velocity of an artificial satellite orbiting 230 km above the Earth's surface. Participants are reviewing the calculations and assumptions made regarding gravitational acceleration and orbital speed, with a focus on theoretical and practical implications of these values.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of a calculated velocity of 30,000 m/s, suggesting it is excessively high for an Earth orbit.
  • Another participant calculates gravitational acceleration at the satellite's altitude to be approximately 9.2 m/s², leading to an estimated orbital speed of about 7,700 m/s for a circular orbit.
  • A different calculation suggests a velocity of around 11 km/s, initially considering a parabolic orbit, but later adjusts this to approximately 7.8 km/s for a circular orbit based on the virial theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial velocity calculation of 30,000 m/s, with some proposing lower velocities for stable orbits. The discussion remains unresolved as different calculations yield varying results, and no consensus is reached on the correct orbital speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential inaccuracies in their calculations and assumptions, including the effects of orbital eccentricity and the application of different orbital mechanics principles. There is also mention of distractions affecting the calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for those interested in orbital mechanics, satellite dynamics, and gravitational physics, particularly in understanding the complexities of calculating orbital velocities.

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I have been asked to review a junior physicist's calculations regarding an artificial satellite traveling 230 km above the Earth's surface where acceleration due to gravity is about 9.0m/s2. He calculated a velocity of 30000 m/s. And the radius of the Earth was measured at about 6370km. Does his speed seem right? I don't even know if I have enough information to figure this out.
 
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30,000 m/s is WAY to fast for anything in Earth orbit. That's 30km/s, or about 20miles/sec, which is 72,000 miles/hr, gets you around the Earth every 20 minutes. Can't happen.
 
A quick calculation on the back of an envelope (literally) gives g at that distance to be about 9.2 m/s^2 (so 9 m/s^2 is OK if you're not fussy), and this gives a speed of about 7700 m/s for a circular orbit. It is entirely possible my math is off, especially when I'm being distracted by a yummy blueberry muffin.

Maybe your "junior physicist" was doing a highly eccentric elliptical orbit, which if true, is highly eccentric in itself. :)

Zz.
 
I calculated ~11 km/s. I used Etotal = 0 => KE = -Ugrav. That's a parabolic orbit, though, isn't it. Dammit! Take one semester off and you pay for it the whole time. I'll get back to this.

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OK, now I remember from the virial (sp?) theorem (or something) that KE = -(1/2)Ugrav for a circular orbit. Then that would lead to the velocity I was smoking for the parabolic orbit divided by a factor of √2. This gives ~11√2 km/s ~ 7.8 km/s. I would like to take this opportunity to agree with ZapperZ.
 
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