Feynman's Orange Riddle: Impossible or Not?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Soff
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Impossible Riddle
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers around Richard Feynman's engagement with topology students regarding the riddle of transforming an orange into a size comparable to the sun through finite cuts, referencing the Banach-Tarski paradox. Feynman argues that while intuitively impossible, such mathematical concepts challenge conventional thinking and highlight the importance of precise definitions in mathematics. The conversation also touches on Feynman's ability to calculate cube roots more efficiently than using an abacus, emphasizing the contrast between intuitive and formal mathematical approaches.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Banach-Tarski paradox
  • Basic knowledge of topology
  • Familiarity with mathematical definitions and proofs
  • Concept of finite versus infinite sets
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the implications of the Banach-Tarski paradox in modern mathematics
  • Explore advanced topics in topology
  • Learn about the principles of mathematical rigor and definitions
  • Investigate methods for calculating cube roots using an abacus
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, students of topology, educators in mathematics, and anyone interested in the philosophical implications of mathematical paradoxes.

Soff
Messages
36
Reaction score
0
I'm reading "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman!" which is one of the funniest and interesting books I've ever read!

However, in one paragraph, Feynman is talking with some topology students about a riddle:

The topology students: "You've got an orange, OK? Now you cut the orange into a finite number of pieces, put it back together, and it's as big as the sun. True or false?"
"No holes?"
"No holes!"
"Impossible! There ain't no such a thing."
"Ha! We got him! Everybody gather around! It's So-and-so's theorem of immeasurable measure!"
Just when they think they've got me, I remind them, "But you said an orange! You can't cut the orange peel any thinner than the atoms."...


I understood Feynman argument, but I didn't get the idea of the theorem of immeasurable measure. How can you get an orange as big as the sun?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
It's related to this joke:

Q: What's an anagram of Banach-Tarski?

A: Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski.

Google for it.
 
The point of the story is that mathematicians are always trying to show that intuitive thinking will lead you astray. So they love coming up with examples of something you'd think should be impossible and then they "prove" it's true. Feynman's point it that if they really are honest about their definitions, things really do make sense if you just look at them the right way.
 
I was just reading that book, and was writing my Theory of Knowledge essay.
I also was wondering if the theorem of immeasurable measure existed and if so, what is it?
Feynman is correct in saying that the topologists asked him about splitting an orange finite number of times, so for an orange it was impossible, but as a theory it intrigued me as it could be a 'real' theory where you assume nothing.
 
As long as we're on the topic of Feynman, in the same book was a story of how he was able to calculate cube roots using pad and pencil faster than someone using an abacus.

Does anyone here know how to calculate cube roots on an abacus?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
5K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K