Where Can I Find Useful Resources for Vector Calculus?

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The discussion revolves around seeking resources for vector calculus, particularly in the context of challenges faced in understanding the subject due to insufficient examples and explanations from a textbook and instructor. Participants share their experiences and suggest various resources, while also debating the nature of understanding in mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks online resources or inexpensive books to aid their understanding of vector calculus, expressing dissatisfaction with their current textbook and teaching style.
  • Another participant recommends Schaum's Outline in Vector Analysis as a comprehensive resource and suggests searching online for additional materials related to vectors.
  • A different participant mentions learning effectively from Stanley I. Grossman's book, although noting its high cost.
  • One participant critiques the simplicity of the examples in textbooks, arguing that understanding the formulas is not necessary for calculation, while another emphasizes the importance of grasping definitions and reasoning behind methods for deeper comprehension.
  • Some participants discuss the idea that mathematics can be learned similarly to a language, where definitions and formulas are memorized without questioning their deeper meanings initially.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding the fundamental concepts, like derivatives, requires more than rote memorization, and that one should strive to comprehend the underlying meanings.
  • A participant references the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus and its implications for understanding derivatives and antiderivatives.
  • Another participant raises a philosophical point about deep understanding in mathematics, citing Srinivasa Ramanujan's intuitive grasp of complex series as an example of profound insight.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of understanding the underlying principles of mathematics versus simply applying formulas. There is no consensus on the best approach to learning vector calculus or the value of different resources mentioned.

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Participants' comments reflect a range of assumptions about learning styles and the nature of mathematical understanding, with some advocating for practical application and others for deeper conceptual insight. The discussion does not resolve these differing perspectives.

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I am in a vector calculus class with a teacher that lectures from the book (and gives very few examples) and a book that is of little help.

Do any of you know some helpful online resources (or inexpensive books) for higher level calculus?
 
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There is a Schaum's Outline in Vector Analysis which covers a majority of what you will ever need. Do a Google search on vectors and you find a bunch of material out there. Almost every course in physics starts with some type of refresher in vectors, just look online for notes.

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I learned a lot of vectors in Stanley I. Grossman's book "Multivariable calculus, Linear algebra and Differential equations" Though the book might be expensive.
 
As someone who's had to teach from these god awful books and encountered attitudes such as this, do you , Macguyver (Patty and Selma would approve), realize that these ideas and examples are trivially dull and easy? How many of the worked examples have you started and gone through, looking back at the method when you get stuck? All the things you are looking at are simple formulae that require no understanding of what's going on, and if you think you need to understand in some higher meta-sense then it is because you aren't understanding that you do not need to understand what, say, grad(f) is to calculate grad(f), it's just a bloody formula, and that through working it out a few times, only then will you understand what the formula means.
 
Matt, I'm not in need of the examples as much as I am the explanation of the definitions and th methods. I have trouble remembering how to do something if I don't understand what I am doing and why. To me a definition without the reasoning behind it is usless since i can't adapt it to a specific problem. I didn't mean for it to sound like i was blaming my professor for my confusion.
 
Once you know the method it works for all cases, that is one of the nice things about calc. IT just takes practise and memeory.
 
It is up to yourself will you understand things deeper or not. When there's a definition or a theorem in a book you might just agree with it or think for a while to understand what does it really mean.
 
If I may interject with a slightly dubious analysis, did you ever learn a foreign language? Did you ask why? When you were told the word for breakfast did you quesytion why, what does it mean that petit dejeuner (or whatever) is breakfast in French? No, you didn't, you learned the words, and the rules and mathematics is no different, you're just learning a language and its use.There are no big metaphysical things going on, no ontological debates about why this is what it is, they're just definitions that you need to apply. Later you might learn how to apply it from people who have specific uses in mind, but it is not relevant to the learning of how to do things. One general formula is worth a thousand worked examples.
 
What I meant is like, when you see a definition of a derivative [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h, you don't just remember by heart "ef ex plus eich minus ef ex divided by h" and say "I know what derivative is", but you try to understand what the equation contains and finally understand that it means the velocity of function's changing or however to interpret. Even if it's not told in the book that it is shows the velocity, you can figure it out with a little thinking.
 
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which also ties into the Fundamental theorem of Calculus... Where you state that d/dx of antiderivative of f(x) is f(x)...
 
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If there is not a deep feeling for the workings of the equations... then how did Srinivasa Ramanujan "see" these wonderful series and stuff in his head? Its a deep understanding alright...
 

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