Finding \langle (\Delta N ) ^2 \rangle for |\beta \rangle

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The discussion revolves around finding the number variance \langle (\Delta N ) ^2 \rangle for the state | \beta \rangle, which is expressed in terms of creation and annihilation operators. The context involves quantum mechanics and operator algebra, particularly in the framework of quantum states and their properties.

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  • Participants explore the application of commutation relations to simplify expressions involving the state | \beta \rangle. There are attempts to express how the annihilation and creation operators act on this state, with specific focus on deriving relationships from the given commutators.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to proceed with the problem. There is an emphasis on translating abstract commutation relations into concrete actions on the state, indicating a productive direction in the exploration of the problem.

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Participants are working with specific operator relations and the properties of the ground state, which may influence their approach to finding the number variance. The discussion reflects an ongoing inquiry into the implications of these operators on the state in question.

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I need to find the number variance [tex]\langle (\Delta N ) ^2 \rangle[/tex] for the state [tex]| \beta \rangle = e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}-\alpha^{*} a}|1 \rangle[/tex]

we know:
[tex]\langle (\Delta N ) ^2 \rangle[/tex]
[tex]\langle a^{\dagger} a a^{\dagger} a \rangle[/tex]
[tex]\langle a^{\dagger} (a^{\dagger}a +1) a \rangle[/tex]
[tex]\langle a^{\dagger} a^{\dagger}a a+a^{\dagger} a \rangle[/tex]
[tex]\langle \beta| a^{\dagger} (a^{\dagger}a +1) a |\beta \rangle[/tex]

I know the relation (since this was derived):
[tex][a^{\dagger},e^{\alpha a}]=-\alpha e^{\alpha a}[/tex]
[tex][a,e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}}]=\alpha e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}}[/tex]

I could expand:
[tex]\langle 1|e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}-\alpha^{*} a} a^{\dagger} (a^{\dagger}a +1) a e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}-\alpha^{*} a}|1 \rangle[/tex]

But I'm not sure how to apply the relation. any ideas would be appreciated.
 
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Hi indigojoker,

The first thing I would do is translate those commutator statements into something a little more concrete. It would be nice to know how a (or a^+) acts on your state. You might hope for a simple relationship since a annihilates the ground state and has a simple commutator with the operator that creates your state from the ground state.
 
hmm, I'm not sure what you mean by something more concrete. Do you mean figuring out what:

[tex]a| \beta \rangle = ae^{\alpha a^{\dagger}-\alpha^{*} a}|1 \rangle[/tex]
and
[tex]a^{\dagger}| \beta \rangle = a^{\dagger} e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}-\alpha^{*} a}|1 \rangle[/tex]

is when simplified using:
[tex][a^{\dagger},e^{\alpha a}]=a^{\dagger}e^{\alpha a}-e^{\alpha a} a^{\dagger}=-\alpha e^{\alpha a}[/tex]
[tex][a,e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}}]=a e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}}-e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}}a=\alpha e^{\alpha a^{\dagger}}[/tex]
 
Yes, that is what I had in mind. Here is a hint: since a annihilates the ground state, one can write [a,B]|ground> = (aB-Ba)|ground> = aB|ground> where B is anything!
 

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