Zwiebach 208: Should There Be a d/dt in Equation 12.17?

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The discussion revolves around the presence of a derivative term in equation 12.17 of a physics textbook, specifically regarding whether a d/dt notation should be included. Participants are examining differences in their copies of the book, which may have variations in the text.

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  • Participants are questioning the presence of a derivative in their versions of the textbook and discussing the implications of different printings. Some express uncertainty about the version they possess and whether it is the most recent.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their observations about the text and attempting to clarify the differences in their copies. There is no clear consensus on the printing status of the books, but some participants are providing insights based on their experiences.

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Participants note the absence of printing numbers in their copies, which complicates the determination of which version is more recent. There is also mention of previous discussions related to the content of the book, indicating a broader context of inquiry.

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should there be a d/dt in equation 12.17? there is not in my book?


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ehrenfest said:
should there be a d/dt in equation 12.17? there is not in my book?
Yes, there should be a dot over the \xi on the l.h.s. and in my copy there is. Perhaps your copy is older than mine. This would shed light on a earlier thread.
 
Sorry, I see the dot now. It just kind of blends in with the top of the \xi. I am pretty sure I have the most recent version.
 
ehrenfest said:
Sorry, I see the dot now. It just kind of blends in with the top of the \xi. I am pretty sure I have the most recent version.

We had a discussion a bit earlier about something concerning n dot P being zero everywhere along the string or something to that effect. And it was clear that you had an earlier version than what Jimmy has (and you had the same version I own). Did you get your hands on a more recent copy now?
 
nrqed said:
And it was clear that you had an earlier version than what Jimmy has (and you had the same version I own). Did you get your hands on a more recent copy now?
My recollection of that thread is different.

I asked Ehrenfest for information on the printing number from the copyright page, but he said there was none. Mine doesn't have any either, but I had advance knowledge that the book would be published and bought it as soon as it was available. Bottom line, I am not sure whether his copy is earlier or later than mine. The text in his copy is 'better' than mine in the place that was the topic of that thread, and that would indicate a later printing, but you can't be 100% sure. I don't think either version is completely satisfactory.

When Ehrnefest said that there was no derivative in his copy, it raised my hopes that his copy was earlier than mine. It is too unlikely that the book would deteriorate in that way. Unfortunately, from this point of view, the derivative is there after all. Without printing number information in the book, I see no clear evidence either way.
 
Here is a quote from my copyright page:

"

First Published 2004
Reprinted 2004, 2005
Reprinted 2005 (twice), once with corrections.

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I am not sure whether I put that in the other post. I bought my book from amazon in August.
 
ehrenfest said:
Here is a quote from my copyright page:

"

First Published 2004
Reprinted 2004, 2005
Reprinted 2005 (twice), once with corrections.

"

I am not sure whether I put that in the other post. I bought my book from amazon in August.
Thanks. What you have is definitely later than mine which simply says:
First Published 2004
 

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