Converging Integral: Finding a Value for C | Tricky Convergence Question

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The discussion revolves around a convergence problem involving an integral of the form \(\int [\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+2x^2}} - \frac{c}{x+1}] \) and seeks to determine a value for \(c\) that ensures convergence as \(x\) approaches infinity. The subject area includes calculus and improper integrals.

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  • Participants explore the behavior of the logarithmic term in the integral as \(x\) approaches infinity and discuss the implications of different values of \(c\) on convergence. There are attempts to derive bounds and estimates for the integral's terms, as well as questions about the methods used for series expansion.

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The discussion is active, with multiple participants offering insights and corrections regarding the convergence criteria for different values of \(c\). Some participants suggest that \(c\) must be at least 1 for convergence, while others reflect on their earlier miscalculations and clarify their reasoning.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for analysis. There is a focus on ensuring the integral converges, with various assumptions about the behavior of the terms involved as \(x\) approaches infinity being questioned and examined.

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This was a question on one of our past exams. I don't even know where to start and I'm getting very discouraged.

Given [tex]\int [\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+2x^2}} - \frac{c}{x+1}] = \ln(\frac{\sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x)}{(x+1)^c}) + k.[/tex]

Find a value c such that [tex]\int_{0}^{\infty} [\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+2x^2}} - \frac{c}{x+1}][/tex] converges.

I tried taking the limit as x-> infinity of the large ln function, but I'm getting nowhere.

Can someone please give me a hint that'll get me started on this question at least?
 
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as x tends to infinitum, the logarithm is superiorly bounded by

[tex]\frac{1}{(\sqrt{1+2x^2} - \sqrt{2}x)(x+1)^c}[/tex]

and being [tex]x \geq 0[/tex] implies that

[tex]\frac{1}{(\sqrt{1+2x^2} - \sqrt{2}x)(x+1)^c} \leq \frac{1}{(x+1)^c}[/tex]

and this converges if [tex]c \geq 0[/tex]
 
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The term (sqrt(1+2x^(2))-sqrt(2)x)->0 as x->inf; hence you must be more careful in the choice of c.
We should have, in general for e->0, that sqrt(1+e)-1>=1+1/2e-1/8e^(2) (alternating series with terms decreasing in magnitude)
Setting e=1/(2x^(2)), you should find that the expr. converges for c>=1
 
Sorry, estimate all wrong.
You should begin with the original expression.
sqrt(1+2x^(2))+sqrt(2)x=sqrt(2)x(2+1/(4x^(2))-1/(16x^(4))+-+-)->2sqrt(2)x when x->inf.
Hence, convergence requires abs(ln(x^(1-c)))<inf as x->inf.
Only c=1 achieves this result.
 
true... i don't know what i was thinking... that was my orignial estimate but i messed up resolving the first term of the integral... the shame...
 
Wow. Thanks a lot! Just one stupid question - how did you get the alternating series expansion for [tex]\sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x[/tex]? Did you just take successive derivatives and use Taylor polynomials?
 
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Wow. Thanks a lot! Just one stupid question - how did you get the alternating series expansion for [tex]\sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x[/tex]? Did you just take successive derivatives and use Taylor polynomials?

What do you mean?

using the taylor expansion around zero of

[tex](1+x)^n \sim 1+nx+n(n-1)\frac{x^2}{2!}+...[/tex]

its easyly shown that

[tex]\sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x=\sqrt{2}x(1+\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{2x^2}})=\sqrt{2}x(2+\frac{1}{4x^2}-\frac{1}{16x^4}+...)[/tex]

as x tends to infinitum this function behave like x... the function [tex](1+x)^c[/tex] behaves like [tex]x^c[/tex] (same argument) that's why you need [tex]c \geq 1[/tex]
 
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