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AngelofMusic
Apr13-04, 07:19 PM
This was a question on one of our past exams. I don't even know where to start and I'm getting very discouraged.
Given \int [\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+2x^2}} - \frac{c}{x+1}] = \ln(\frac{\sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x)}{(x+1)^c}) + k.
Find a value c such that \int_{0}^{\infty} [\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+2x^2}} - \frac{c}{x+1}] converges.
I tried taking the limit as x-> infinity of the large ln function, but I'm getting nowhere.
Can someone please give me a hint that'll get me started on this question at least?
ReyChiquito
Apr13-04, 11:10 PM
as x tends to infinitum, the logarithm is superiorly bounded by
\frac{1}{(\sqrt{1+2x^2} - \sqrt{2}x)(x+1)^c}
and being x \geq 0 implies that
\frac{1}{(\sqrt{1+2x^2} - \sqrt{2}x)(x+1)^c} \leq \frac{1}{(x+1)^c}
and this converges if c \geq 0
arildno
Apr14-04, 04:51 AM
The term (sqrt(1+2x^(2))-sqrt(2)x)->0 as x->inf; hence you must be more careful in the choice of c.
We should have, in general for e->0, that sqrt(1+e)-1>=1+1/2e-1/8e^(2) (alternating series with terms decreasing in magnitude)
Setting e=1/(2x^(2)), you should find that the expr. converges for c>=1
arildno
Apr14-04, 05:14 AM
Sorry, estimate all wrong.
You should begin with the original expression.
sqrt(1+2x^(2))+sqrt(2)x=sqrt(2)x(2+1/(4x^(2))-1/(16x^(4))+-+-)->2sqrt(2)x when x->inf.
Hence, convergence requires abs(ln(x^(1-c)))<inf as x->inf.
Only c=1 achieves this result.
ReyChiquito
Apr14-04, 08:10 AM
true... i dont know what i was thinking... that was my orignial estimate but i messed up resolving the first term of the integral... the shame...
AngelofMusic
Apr15-04, 11:31 AM
Wow. Thanks a lot! Just one stupid question - how did you get the alternating series expansion for \sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x? Did you just take successive derivatives and use Taylor polynomials?
ReyChiquito
Apr17-04, 02:17 PM
Wow. Thanks a lot! Just one stupid question - how did you get the alternating series expansion for \sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x? Did you just take successive derivatives and use Taylor polynomials?
What do you mean?
using the taylor expansion around zero of
(1+x)^n \sim 1+nx+n(n-1)\frac{x^2}{2!}+...
its easyly shown that
\sqrt{1+2x^2} + \sqrt{2}x=\sqrt{2}x(1+\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{2x^2}})=\sq rt{2}x(2+\frac{1}{4x^2}-\frac{1}{16x^4}+...)
as x tends to infinitum this function behave like x... the function (1+x)^c behaves like x^c (same argument) thats why you need c \geq 1
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