Yikes, I (Centripital Motion/Forces/Friction)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem regarding centripetal motion, specifically calculating the smallest radius of an unbanked track for a bicyclist given her speed and the coefficient of static friction. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to forces and motion.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in starting the problem and requests guidance on the procedure.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster should demonstrate some effort by writing down known values and equations.
  • A participant identifies the equation for centripetal force as (us)(Fn) = m(v^2/r) but questions its correctness and how to isolate r with the provided values.
  • Another participant emphasizes the conceptual aspect, stating that only the normal force and friction force act on the object, leading to a derived equation for radius: r = (v^2)/(mu)*g.

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There is no consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, as participants express varying levels of understanding and provide different insights into the equations involved.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the equations used, and there is uncertainty about the application of the forces involved in the problem.

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I can't solve this problem for the life of me, and I don't know how to begin even. If someone could explain the procedure, I'd be more than grateful... it can't be THAT hard, I just have no idea where to start. =[ Thanks.

"What is the smallest radius of an unbanked (flat) track around which a bicyclist can travel if her speed is 24 km/h and the coefficient of static friction between tires and track is 0.30?"


Once again, thanks in advance.
 
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tectactoe said:
I can't solve this problem for the life of me, and I don't know how to begin even. If someone could explain the procedure, I'd be more than grateful... it can't be THAT hard, I just have no idea where to start. =[ Thanks.

"What is the smallest radius of an unbanked (flat) track around which a bicyclist can travel if her speed is 24 km/h and the coefficient of static friction between tires and track is 0.30?"


Once again, thanks in advance.

This should be posted in the homework subforum. As for how to solve it, first write down what you know to show you are making some effort. Do you know the equation for the force required to accelerate an object in a circle at a given radius?
 
"What is the smallest radius of an unbanked (flat) track around which a bicyclist can travel if her speed is 24 km/h and the coefficient of static friction between tires and track is 0.30?"


v = 24 km/h
us = 0.30


I know

(us)(Fn) = m(v^2/r)

but I don't know if that's the right equation, nor how to find r with only these values.

x_x
 
tectactoe said:
"What is the smallest radius of an unbanked (flat) track around which a bicyclist can travel if her speed is 24 km/h and the coefficient of static friction between tires and track is 0.30?"


v = 24 km/h
us = 0.30


I know

(us)(Fn) = m(v^2/r)

but I don't know if that's the right equation, nor how to find r with only these values.

x_x

You´ll also need the equation for the force due to friction. Once you have these two equations the rest is just algebra.
 
ok buddy, this is more of a conceptual question. There are only 2 forces acting on the object, the normal force = to its weight, and the Friction force.

=> Sum of Forces in x has to = Friction force

=> ma = -m*(v^2)/r = -(mu)*m*g
Note: negative sign since the vector points inward toward the center of the circle.

Solve and u get
r = (v^2)/(mu)*g

Hope u got it, any more question?

just post them here,

ZPower
 

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