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lampshade
Feb28-08, 03:31 PM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
\frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{2(\frac{E}{m}) -\omega^2 x^2}
2. Relevant equations
\frac{dx}{dt} = v
3. The attempt at a solution
I keep ending up with the statement x=0.
\frac{dx}{dt}=\sqrt{2\frac{E}{m} -\omega^2 x^2}
Then
(dx/dt)^2 =2\frac{E}{m} -\omega^2 x^2
and 1/2 mv^2 = E
(dx/dt)^2 = v^2 - 2 \omega^2 x^2
and with dx/dt being v that makes
0=\omega^2x^2
and then I'm sad :-(
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
\frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{2(\frac{E}{m}) -\omega^2 x^2}
2. Relevant equations
\frac{dx}{dt} = v
3. The attempt at a solution
I keep ending up with the statement x=0.
\frac{dx}{dt}=\sqrt{2\frac{E}{m} -\omega^2 x^2}
Then
(dx/dt)^2 =2\frac{E}{m} -\omega^2 x^2
and 1/2 mv^2 = E
(dx/dt)^2 = v^2 - 2 \omega^2 x^2
and with dx/dt being v that makes
0=\omega^2x^2
and then I'm sad :-(
What is exactly the question you are trying to answer?
In any case, what is E here? If it's th etotal energy, it's not simply 1/2 mv^2 since there is some potential energy.
lampshade
Feb28-08, 03:42 PM
Just find x(t)
I left off a 2 in my work that I just noticed and that seems to have changed things a bit. I have to rework some stuff and maybe see where that ends up. As for what E is, I don't know. Nor do I technically know that m is mass, but it seems awfully like they are. They weren't explicitly defined.
Just find x(t)
I left off a 2 in my work that I just noticed and that seems to have changed things a bit. I have to rework some stuff and maybe see where that ends up. As for what E is, I don't know. Nor do I technically know that m is mass, but it seems awfully like they are. They weren't explicitly defined.
Ok, then don't assume E is 1/2 mv^2
This is a simple harmonic oscillator with E = 1/2 mv^2 + 1/2 k x^2.
HallsofIvy
Feb28-08, 03:50 PM
If the problem is given just as the differential equation, you don't know what E is nor do you know that m is mass, how do you possibly conclude that E= (1/2)mv2?
(And why is this a physics problem rather than a math problem?)
lampshade
Feb28-08, 03:56 PM
If the problem is given just as the differential equation, you don't know what E is nor do you know that m is mass, how do you possibly conclude that E= (1/2)mv2?
(And why is this a physics problem rather than a math problem?)
At the time I felt that it was more of a physics problem.
At the time I felt that it was more of a physics problem.
The best way to attack th eproblem is to differentiate your equation to get the second derivative \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} Use the initial equation to rewrite the first derivative that appears in your result in terms of x itself. Then you will have an equation relating the second derivative to the function x(t) and you will be able to solve.
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