Experiment to determine the speed of light

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The discussion revolves around an experiment aimed at calculating the speed of light using Maxwell's equations, specifically focusing on determining the values of electric permittivity (Eo) and magnetic permeability (Uo) through experimental setups involving parallel plate capacitors and a Helmholtz coil.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate Eo using charge measurements from parallel plate capacitors and questions how to interpret the results. They also seek guidance on calculating Uo from measurements taken with a Helmholtz coil.
  • Some participants question the feasibility of measuring Eo and Uo directly through the experiments, suggesting that these constants are predefined and used in the calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of accuracy in measurements and whether the original poster should expect to derive values for the constants or simply assess their measurement accuracy.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the constants involved and the implications of the original poster's experimental approach. There is a recognition that the experiments may primarily serve to check measurement accuracy rather than derive new values for the constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's measurements may be influenced by the calibration of their instruments, which are based on predefined constants, and that certain conditions must be met for the formulas used to be valid.

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For my advanced physics coursework i am calculating the speed of light, one of my experiments uses Maxwell's equation for electromagnetic waves c = 1/((sqrroot of)EoxUo)

what i had planned to do was calculate values for the magnetic permeability and the electric permittivity and plug them into that equation to find the speed of light and it's not going as i planned...

to find the electric permittivity my experiment was using parallel plate capacitors, varying the distance between the plates and measuring the resulting charge between the plates, keeping the voltage constant, but i don't know how i use my results to find the value for Eo, I've tried plotting a graph of Q(charge) against 1/d(distance between plates), 1/d used to get a direct proportion, and finding the gradient of that line, but it's not giving me anything like the true value for Eo...please help?

Also, for calculating Uo, i got together a helmholtz coil and a magnetic sensor(which produces a voltage and 1V = 100mT), for that experiment i varied the current through the helmholtz coil and took not of the voltage and correspoding Teslas, but i do not know what to do with my results to calculate the magnetic permeability of free space...please help?

thanks in advance for any helpful posts.
 
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You can't measure epsilonzero or muzero by your experiments.
muzero is a defined number, used to define the ampere in terms of the force between two wires. If you measure amps with an ammeter, you have already chosen muzero to be
4pi times 10^-7.
If you use SI units for Q and V, you have already put in the connection between epsilonzero, muzero, and the now defined speed of light.
Your results will just check your accuracy in using these already defined constants.
 
by checking my accuracy in using these already defined constants, do you mean i should get a value for the constant and be able to check it's accuracy against the true value or do you mean check my accuracy in putting the constant to use?:S

if you mean actually deriving a value for the constants that i could check the accuracy of against the true value, what would i do to determine this value?
 
sorry...i get what you mean now, the voltmeter and coulometer i am using in my experiments have been calibrated using these predefined constants, so in trying to calculate them, i am in short, checking my accuracy in using them...but if i am checking my accuracy of using them, should i not get an actual value to check against the true value?
 
But you are only checking how accurately you measured.
It is like measuring the the "fundamental constant" 2.54 cm/inches
by measuring the length of a meter stick using a one foot ruler.
You are just measuring your accuracy in putting the constant to use.
If using the standard formula for capacitance, and measuring Q and V, doesn't agree with the formula, it might be that d is too large.
You need d^2<<A for the formula to hold.
Also, Q is difficult to measure accurately.
In any event though, you are just testing your accuracy of measurement.
 

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