Boy's Plumbing Woes: Ancient Roman Plumbing Was Better Than Mine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around issues related to water hammer in plumbing systems, comparing modern plumbing experiences with those of ancient Roman systems. Participants explore causes, effects, and potential solutions for water hammer, as well as sharing personal anecdotes and technical insights.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes experiencing severe water hammer that is startling and compares it unfavorably to ancient Roman plumbing.
  • Another suggests that installing hammer arresters could mitigate the issue, providing links to products.
  • A humorous suggestion is made to take the water hammer to a pub, indicating a light-hearted approach to the problem.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of a water-logged arrester causing issues.
  • A participant proposes a makeshift solution using a 2-liter soda bottle, though they admit uncertainty about its effectiveness.
  • One participant claims that water hammer can be an energy source, attributing it to cavitation, but notes it is not a practical power source yet.
  • Another participant mentions that controlled water hammer is used in hydraulic ram water pumps, suggesting a distinction between home plumbing and industrial applications.
  • A technical explanation of water hammer is provided, describing it as a pressure surge caused by sudden changes in fluid motion, with cavitation potentially playing a role.
  • Experiences of significant water hammer in industrial settings are shared, highlighting the potential for large-scale effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the causes and implications of water hammer, with no clear consensus on the best solutions or the nature of water hammer as an energy source. Some technical explanations are provided, but the discussion remains open-ended with differing opinions on effectiveness and application.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about water hammer's potential as an energy source are debated, and the discussion includes various assumptions about plumbing systems and their components. The effectiveness of proposed solutions is not established, and anecdotal experiences vary widely.

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Boy do i have water hammer, it sounds like some huge fog horn and is enough to make one jump out of ones pants, it comes unexpectedly, and when i have a bath the hot water dries up to the kitchen sink, the Romans had better plumbing than mine.
 
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wolram said:
enough to make one jump out of ones pants
That sounds pretty handy. You should take it to the pub with you the next time you're horny.
 
You could just have a water-logged arrester as well.
 
If you don't have the cash to buy an arrestor try installing an empty 2 liter soda bottle inline. p.s. I totally made this up and have no idea if it would actually do anything at all.
 
A water hammer is actually an energy source. The action in the pipes gives off a lot of heat. i believe it is caused by some sort of cavitation. They do generate a lot of energy, however They are not a workable power source yet.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-7127158/Put-wasted-power-from-water.html
 
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My kids call it "the pipe singer" and they all get real excited when it makes its noise. Tonight it went on for about 30 seconds.

Deja vu. Have I already told this one before?
 
Speaking of Deja vu, has there ever been a thread about that occurrence?
 
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glondor wrote: they are not a workable power source yet.

probably not in house pipes, but controlled water hammer is what 'drives' hydraulic ram water pumps.
 
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glondor said:
A water hammer is actually an energy source. The action in the pipes gives off a lot of heat. i believe it is caused by some sort of cavitation. They do generate a lot of energy, however They are not a workable power source yet.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-7127158/Put-wasted-power-from-water.html

Certainly a mechanism for the delver of energy, but not a "source."
 
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Water hammer (or, more generally, fluid hammer) is a pressure surge or wave resulting when a fluid in motion is forced to stop or change direction suddenly.
from Wikipedia - but it's reasonably accurate.

Cavitation may be an initiating factor, by virtue of the cavity (vapor phase) collapse and the rapid development of a wave along a pipe.

If there is a banging in hot water pipes, that could be a check valve abruptly closing or a steam bubble collapsing.

I've experience a rather large water hammer in 1.5 m pipe header at water production facility. A rather large check valve closed abruptly when the water pumps tripped off. The was a rather large bang and building shook and vibrated.
 
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Astronuc said:
from Wikipedia - but it's reasonably accurate.

Cavitation may be an initiating factor, by virtue of the cavity (vapor phase) collapse and the rapid development of a wave along a pipe.

If there is a banging in hot water pipes, that could be a check valve abruptly closing or a steam bubble collapsing.

I've experience a rather large water hammer in 1.5 m pipe header at water production facility. A rather large check valve closed abruptly when the water pumps tripped off. The was a rather large bang and building shook and vibrated.

I bet that made you jump, the boiler at work is good at making such noises, if it cuts out and has cooled the restart is quite scary, the first time i had to restart it i ran for cover.
 

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