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lesodk
Apr21-08, 02:57 AM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

A Cyclic proces of three parts for a monoatomic idealgas:

1-2:
Isochor, where:
p2 = 2*p1
v2 = v1

2-3:
Adiabatic, from v2 = v3, where:
v3 > v2
p3 = p1

3-1:
unknow proces, where
v4 = v1
p4 = p1

My problem is to determine
Q1, Q2, Q3 and W1, W2, W3 and dU1, dU2, dU3

I can't find U3, W3

2. Relevant equations
dU1 + dU2 + dU3 = 0

W1 = 0, dU = Q (isochor)
Q2 = 0, dU = -W (adiabatic)

3. The attempt at a solution
I'm really lost on the part finding Q3, W3
:(

Hootenanny
Apr21-08, 08:26 AM
Have you determined dU1 and dU2?

lesodk
Apr21-08, 08:47 AM
yes i have

Hootenanny
Apr21-08, 08:52 AM
And is the data plotted on a PV curve?

lesodk
Apr21-08, 12:32 PM
Nope, i don't have that information.

Hootenanny
Apr21-08, 02:57 PM
A Cyclic proces of three parts for a monoatomic idealgas:

1-2:
Isochor, where:
p2 = 2*p1
v2 = v1

2-3:
Adiabatic, from v2 = v3, where:
v3 > v2
p3 = p1

3-1:
unknow proces, where
v4 = v1
p4 = p1

Shouldn't these two values be v3 and p3?

lesodk
Apr21-08, 03:10 PM
my point is just that after v3 and p3, you go back to the initial place v1 and p1.
Thats what i mean by 3-1.

Hootenanny
Apr21-08, 05:34 PM
my point is just that after v3 and p3, you go back to the initial place v1 and p1.
Thats what i mean by 3-1.
Yes but note that p3 = p1, therefore this third 'unknown process' (3-1) is isobaric.