Understanding the Troublesome Equation: Tips for Solving Math Problems

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The discussion revolves around solving a mathematical equation related to orbital angular momentum in the context of binary star systems. Participants are exploring the derivation of a specific equation involving time derivatives and varying parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for orbital angular momentum and seeks advice on a mathematical error encountered while trying to derive a related expression.
  • Another participant questions the notation used, specifically asking for clarification on variables r, b, and M.
  • A participant clarifies that M refers to the sum of two masses, M_p and M_s, and explains the context of the problem as related to the Roche model of binary stars.
  • One participant suggests removing a term from the equation and provides a rearrangement that leads towards the desired expression.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the assistance, indicating that the issue was a simple oversight.

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The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and approaches to solving the problem, with no consensus reached on the specific steps to derive the desired equation. Participants provide suggestions and clarifications without resolving the overall mathematical challenge.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding variable substitutions and the implications of time derivatives in their calculations. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions that may not be fully articulated.

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Just looking for some advice on where my maths is going wrong with this. I have the following equation.

[tex]L_{orb}=(\frac{GD}{M})^\frac{1}{2}M_sM_p[/tex]

and information that the time derivatives of L and M are zero. Also M_s varies with time along with D. I am supposed to arrive at the following equation.

[tex]\frac{\dot{D}}{D}=-2(1-\frac{M_s}{M_p})\frac{\dot{M_s}}{M_s}[/tex]

I first brought the M over to be on the same side as the L as when I take the time derivative they will be 0 and then after taking the time derivative of what is left on the left hand side and rearranging a little I can only get

[tex]\frac{\dot{D}}{D}=-2\frac{\dot{M_s}}{M_s^2}[/tex]

Any pointers as to where my maths fails. I realize it could have something to do with a substitution of variables but I'm assuming not as it seems unlikely at the minute and I wouldn't like to type out all the possibilities :wink: . Any help is much appreciated.
 
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What's r and b?
(This looks like some sort of spin equation in a gravitational field, but..)
And M? Do you mean [tex]M_{p}[/tex]?
 
sorry r and b was supposed to be part of the subscript I will change it and M is the sum of M_p and M _p.
 
Its just basically the orbital angular momentum in the Roche model of binary stars which I am studying at the minute. Trying to extract useful information on the rate of orbital decay.
 
Remove the [tex]G^{\frac{1}{2}}[/tex] over as well.
Then we have:
[tex]0=\frac{\dot{D}}{2\sqrt{D}}M_{s}M_{p}+\sqrt{D}\frac{d}{dt}(M_{s}M_{p})\rightarrow\frac{\dot{D}}{D}=-2\frac{\frac{d}{dt}(M_{s}M_{p})}{M_{s}M_{p}}[/tex]

The desired expression is now readily obtained
 
Thanks for your help. I knew it was something simple that I'd missed.
 

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