How can I simplify this so it's easier to obtain the possible points of inflection?
P.S. I figured that this function has a horizontal asymptote, y= 0. But when I draw it on calculator or matlab the function crosses this line. Why?
Hitman2-2
Aug25-08, 04:17 AM
Your calculation of the first derivative and the critical points look right to me.
To simply the second derivative, just do what you did in finding the first derivative: multiply out the terms in the numerator, then simplify.
As to why the graph crosses the x-axis, a function can actually cross the asymptote as long as it eventually approaches the asymptote arbitrarily closely and stays close (informally speaking).
Additionally, if I may make a suggestion, when graphing functions, it can be helpful to first find the domain, whether the function is even or odd, and x and y intercepts. Here, for example, the function is odd, so you only need to be concerned about non-negative x (at first) and then sketch the graph for negative x by symmetry.
HallsofIvy
Aug25-08, 05:56 AM
Let m(x) = \frac{1-x^2}{x^3}
Sketch the graph and find all critical points and any points of inflection.
3. The attempt at a solution
m(x) = \frac{1-x^2}{x^3}
How can I simplify this so it's easier to obtain the possible points of inflection?
Why haven't you multiplied it out just like you did the first derivative?
m''(x)= \frac{2x^5- 4x^5+ 12x^3}{x^8}= \frac{-2x^5+ 12x^3}{x^8}= \frac{-2x^2+ 12}{x^5}
P.S. I figured that this function has a horizontal asymptote, y= 0. But when I draw it on calculator or matlab the function crosses this line. Why?
What's the problem? There is no reason a rational function can't cross a horizontal asymptote. A horizontal asymptote only says what happens as x goes to plus or minus infinity.
roam
Aug26-08, 04:46 AM
Yea right.
m''(x) = \frac{-2x^2+ 12}{x^5}
\Rightarrow \frac{-2(x-3)^2}{x^5}
Therefore the x coordinates of the inflection points would be 0, 3 ? So I have to insert these x values into g'(x) to find their y coordinates?
I'm sure that there are two points of inflection because when I draw the graph there are two points at wich the function changes concavity.
Hitman2-2
Aug26-08, 08:54 AM
Yea right.
m''(x) = \frac{-2x^2+ 12}{x^5}
\Rightarrow \frac{-2(x-3)^2}{x^5}
Therefore the x coordinates of the inflection points would be 0, 3 ? So I have to insert these x values into g'(x) to find their y coordinates?
I'm sure that there are two points of inflection because when I draw the graph there are two points at wich the function changes concavity.
The second equality above isn't true, so 3 is definitely not a point of inflection.
HallsofIvy
Aug26-08, 10:20 AM
Yea right.
m''(x) = \frac{-2x^2+ 12}{x^5}
\Rightarrow \frac{-2(x-3)^2}{x^5}
No, that's not at all right.
[tex]\frac{-2x^2+ 12}{x^5}= -2\frac{x^2- 6}{x^5}[/itex]
There are 2 points where the second derivative is 0. Whether they are points of inflection or not depends on whether the second derivative changes sign there. By the way, x= 0 gives neither a critical point nor a point of inflection since the original function is not defined there.
Therefore the x coordinates of the inflection points would be 0, 3 ? So I have to insert these x values into g'(x) to find their y coordinates?
I'm sure that there are two points of inflection because when I draw the graph there are two points at wich the function changes concavity.
roam
Aug26-08, 03:26 PM
Oops!
No, that's not at all right.
\frac{-2x^2+ 12}{x^5}= -2\frac{x^2- 6}{x^5}[/itex]
There are 2 points where the second derivative is 0. Whether they are points of inflection or not depends on whether the second derivative changes sign there.
I think those two points are \pm\sqrt{6} because that's the only place m'' = 0
& I understand that x=0 is not a critical pt etc since the original function isn't defined there, like you said.
By the way, x= 0 gives neither a critical point nor a point of inflection since the original function isn't defined there.
Thanks.
So, all I need to do now is to plug these x-coordinates into the original m(x) to find their y coordinates?
So the inflection points are at (\sqrt{6}, \frac{-5\sqrt{6}}{36}) and (-\sqrt{6}, \frac{5\sqrt{6}}{36}).
When I draw the graph I understand for which reigons the graph is concave up or concave down. Can anyone show me how to calculate it as well? ...because it does say find the intervals on which m is concave up/down...
roam
Aug28-08, 03:17 PM
Is this valid;
drawing a number line consisting of all critical values.