Can someone show me the steps to evaluating \zeta(c + xi), where 0 \leq c<1?
Count Iblis
Aug26-08, 01:57 PM
Can someone show me the steps to evaluating \zeta(c + xi), where 0 \leq c<1?
There are many ways. In this case, as long as x is nonzero, you can simply use the definition of the zeta function
\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}
If s has a nonzero imaginary part, the summation will converge. You can then analytically continue this to the positive real axis by adding and subtracting the pole at s = 1.
epkid08
Aug26-08, 05:18 PM
There are many ways. In this case, as long as x is nonzero, you can simply use the definition of the zeta function
\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}
If s has a nonzero imaginary part, the summation will converge. You can then analytically continue this to the positive real axis by adding and subtracting the pole at s = 1.
I have some questions.
The definition of the zeta function you posted, doesn't that only work for where re(s)>1?
I don't really understand the correct usage of s. Isn't s defined as n + xi? So then how can s just equal 1? Or does s refer only to the real part of it?
The non-trivial zeros of the zeta function happen when re(\zeta(s)) + im(\zeta(s))=0, and are said to be equal to \zeta(1/2+xi), right?
Hopefully you can see through my confusion
CRGreathouse
Aug27-08, 08:39 AM
I don't really understand the correct usage of s. Isn't s defined as n + xi? So then how can s just equal 1? Or does s refer only to the real part of it?
Re(s) is the real part of s, which is complex. I don't know what you mean by "how can s just equal 1", since no one's claimed that to be the case. Were you talking about the pole at s = 1? That's the thing that stops you from evaluating zeta(1) -- which is obvious since you're trying to sum the harmonic sequence there.
The non-trivial zeros of the zeta function happen when re(\zeta(s)) + im(\zeta(s))=0, and are said to be equal to \zeta(1/2+xi), right?
Yes, \zeta(s)=0 at s=1/2+xi for some real values of x.
epkid08
Sep3-08, 10:07 PM
Re(s) is the real part of s, which is complex. I don't know what you mean by "how can s just equal 1", since no one's claimed that to be the case. Were you talking about the pole at s = 1? That's the thing that stops you from evaluating zeta(1) -- which is obvious since you're trying to sum the harmonic sequence there.
Yes, \zeta(s)=0 at s=1/2+xi for some real values of x.
I'm not quite sure how to evaluate the function where s equals say, 1/2 + i, mainly the i part.
*-<|:-D=<-<
Sep4-08, 05:00 PM
To evaluate for 0<Re(s)<1 you can use the Dirichlet eta function;
What is the definition of the zeta function anyway? I only found this:\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}
on wikipedia, but then I read that zeros occur at even negative integers, but I cant see how that fits with this definition....
*-<|:-D=<-<
Sep5-08, 10:42 AM
That is the definition for Re(s)>1 only. You have to use the analytic continuation to evaluate for the negative even integers.
Count Iblis
Sep5-08, 10:46 AM
What is the definition of the zeta function anyway? I only found this:\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^s}
on wikipedia, but then I read that zeros occur at even negative integers, but I cant see how that fits with this definition....
That summation defines an analytical function for Re(s)>1. You can then analytically continue that function to the whole complex plane. You then get a (unique) meromorphic function on the complex plane that is identical to the given summation for Re(s) > 1.
Count Iblis
Sep5-08, 10:56 AM
If Im(s) is different from zero, then doesn't the summation converge for 0<Re(s)<1? You'll have an oscillatory summand with decreasing terms...
CRGreathouse
Sep5-08, 12:25 PM
If Im(s) is different from zero, then doesn't the summation converge for 0<Re(s)<1? You'll have an oscillatory summand with decreasing terms...
It doesn't converge nicely, that's for sure... it's wildly oscillating up to 10^7, at the least, in the OP's example.
Kurret
Sep5-08, 12:51 PM
That is the definition for Re(s)>1 only. You have to use the analytic continuation to evaluate for the negative even integers.
Which means??? :blushing:
*-<|:-D=<-<
Sep6-08, 06:21 AM
Let's recap here,
If you want to evaluate the zeta function With Re(s) > 1 you can use the definition.
\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^s}
If you want to evaluate for Re(s) > 0 you can use the Dirichlet eta function for an analytic continuation.
\eta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{(-1)^{n-1}}{n^s}
Which satisfies the relationship:
\frac{\eta(s)}{1-2^{1-s}}=\zeta(s)
To evaluate for Re(s) < 0 you can use another analytic continuation.