How Do Impulse and Momentum Affect the Motion of Colliding Ice Skaters?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the collision of two ice skaters, focusing on the concepts of impulse and momentum. The original poster presents a scenario where one skater collides with another at rest, seeking to determine their velocities post-collision.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the impulse-momentum theorem but encounters difficulties due to having two unknowns in their equations. Some participants question the validity of the original poster's formula and suggest alternative equations based on the principles of momentum conservation and internal forces.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives on the equations needed to analyze the collision. There is a recognition of multiple valid approaches to the problem, with some guidance provided regarding the application of Newton's third law and the conservation of momentum.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the nature of internal forces in the context of momentum conservation, and the discussion highlights the challenge of working with multiple unknowns in the equations presented.

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impulse and collisions

I have one problem I've been trying to do, but I'm stuck on it. In this one, two ice skaters collide into each other. The specifics are as follows:
Skater 1 (mass 58.96 kg) is traveling at 7.15 m/s. She then collides with skater 2 (mass 49.89 kg) who is at rest. During the collision, skater 1 pushes skater 2 as hard as she can, imparting an average force of 1300 N over a period of .75 seconds. The questions are how fast are skater 1 and skater 2 moving after the impact.

I 've got the whole force over time thing is impulse, so I've got that
(m1v1f + m2v2f) - (m1v1i + m2v2i) = 975
and breaking it down, collecting like terms, and inserting values I already know, it works out to
5896 v1f-49.89 v2f = 1396.564
Unfortunately, this formula still has 2 unknown values, and I can't think of a second formula to use to do substitution.
 
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Your formula is incorrect!
The force imparted by skater 1 one skater 2 is an INTERNAL FORCE, hence, it does NOT contribute to momentum change of the center of mass of the 2 skaters.
The correct set of equations are therefore:
[tex]m_{1}v_{1,f}+m_{2}v_{2,f}-(m_{1}v_{1,i}+m_{2}v_{2,i})=0[/tex]
[tex]m_{2}v_{2,f}=975[/tex]
 
arildno's solution is, of course, completely correct. But a slightly simpler set of equations can be obtained by realizing that the skaters exert equal and opposite forces on each other:
[tex]m_{1}v_{1,f} -m_{1}v_{1,i} =-975[/tex]
[tex]m_{2}v_{2,f}=975[/tex]

But most important is to understand that both methods are valid and equivalent.
 
I agree; using Newton's 3.law in an explicit manner is more straightforward
 

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