Is Your Newfoundland Puppy Ready for Water Training?

  • Thread starter Thread starter fileen
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a new Newfoundland puppy named Manfred, focusing on his characteristics, growth expectations, and the experiences of participants with large dog breeds. Participants share personal anecdotes, express admiration for the puppy, and discuss considerations regarding training and health, particularly related to neutering and growth management.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for the puppy's size and cuteness, noting that he is already quite large for his age.
  • There are discussions about the expected size of Newfoundland dogs, with some participants comparing them to other breeds like Dobermans.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of keeping the puppy intact, including potential behavioral issues and growth considerations.
  • Some participants share personal experiences with Newfoundlands and other large breeds, highlighting their gentle nature and suitability as family pets.
  • There are differing opinions on the timing of neutering, with some suggesting it should be delayed for larger breeds to avoid growth problems.
  • Participants share anecdotes about the affectionate behavior of Newfoundlands and their historical roles as life-savers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the affectionate nature of Newfoundlands and their impressive size, but there is no consensus on the best practices for neutering and managing growth in large breeds. Multiple competing views remain regarding the timing of neutering and its effects on behavior and health.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources and personal experiences, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the specifics of growth management and behavioral outcomes associated with neutering. The conversation reflects a range of opinions and experiences without definitive conclusions.

fileen
Messages
66
Reaction score
4
My new puppy Manfred is just so cute and perfect and beautiful I just had to share him. He is 8 weeks, 16 pounds already, and sleeps 99% of the time. He has already figured out that he's suppose to do the peeing and pooping outside. He loves everyone and can't seem to figure out how to bark although its not for lack of trying. I will try to attach some piuctures.
 

Attachments

  • birthday and puppy october 08 010.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 010.JPG
    52.7 KB · Views: 478
  • birthday and puppy october 08 012.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 012.JPG
    44.8 KB · Views: 514
  • birthday and puppy october 08 013.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 013.JPG
    46.3 KB · Views: 450
Physics news on Phys.org
and some more pictures
 

Attachments

  • birthday and puppy october 08 021.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 021.JPG
    24.4 KB · Views: 503
  • birthday and puppy october 08 022.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 022.JPG
    38.1 KB · Views: 473
  • birthday and puppy october 08 029.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 029.JPG
    52.6 KB · Views: 489
just 1 more
 

Attachments

  • birthday and puppy october 08 041.JPG
    birthday and puppy october 08 041.JPG
    40.8 KB · Views: 523
Aww how lovely. Hes huge though :eek:
 
OMG! He's so adorable! And HUGE! :bugeye:
 
Oh, what a great puppy! Hes so cute. I always wished they could stay small for just a little bit longer. I just love that new puppy smell.
 
hypatia said:
I always wished they could stay small for just a little bit longer.

I don't think this one ever WAS small to stay small. :biggrin: I just love how goofy and wiggly puppies are.
 
He's beautiful, fileen! Congrats!

Look at the size of those paws...

There's a woman in my neighborhood who has about 5 Newfies. She's not more than 5' tall, and she'll take them for a walk, all at the same time! Good thing they're well-behaved dogs.
 
  • #10
I love Newfees...of course I gravitate towards all big dogs (no pun intended...)
 
  • #11
Real cool pup, just the thing to keep you busy going walkies.
 
  • #12
It's awesome!

It looks more like a dog rather than puppy...
 
  • #13
That's one beautiful dog!
 
  • #15
Just looked up the size Newfoundland's grow to and its pretty much the same as a Dobe. He does look a lot bigger than Freija was but it could just be fluff.
 
  • #16
rootX said:
Are they like this big?!

http://www.gentlegiantsrescue.com/images/Melody and Newfie 1 smudged edge 700.jpg

:smile:

I prefer German Shepherds - neither big nor small.

The vet said he should finish between 120 and 150 pounds. Hes the biggest of his litter, and the nicest for conformation. His mom and dad both stand above my waist at the shoulder. They are massive dogs. I admit I expected him to be smaller though. I did a double take when I went to pick him up, he's mostly fluff but he's still very large for a puppy. Apparently he will double in size ever 2 weeks or so. I wanted a large dog because my Dalmation can be a bit of a bully with other dogs, and I figured she's not about to pick on a dog that is 4 times her size and weight. I researched breeds and breeders for months, and I picked the Newf for personality reasons. They are very easy to train, almost never aggressive, not hyper, not chewers, don't generally go chasing a scent and are great with kids. His hips and ears and eyes are all guaranteed, and the breeder gave up 6 months of insurance in case of any sort of medical problem. Hes so handsome she asked us to keep him intact for a couple years so she can get a littler by him. :approve: We might just so we can get another puppy. I had to put my MCAT prep course off for a year in order to pay for him... they are rather pricy, but worth every penny. He just loves every one. He trots from person to person just wanting to be picked up and cuddled. I've never had such a cuddly puppy before. Hes simply perfect
 
  • #17
fileen said:
Hes so handsome she asked us to keep him intact for a couple years so she can get a littler by him. :approve: We might just so we can get another puppy.

Keep in mind that any behavioral problems associated with keeping him intact (i.e., marking his territory by lifting his leg places you don't want it lifted) will develop early. Waiting a couple of years to have him neutered might leave you stuck with some undesirable behaviors. You might want to discuss this plan with your vet, and find out if s/he has any breed specific advice about this.
 
  • #18
Kurdt said:
Just looked up the size Newfoundland's grow to and its pretty much the same as a Dobe. He does look a lot bigger than Freija was but it could just be fluff.
Nope! Newfies can be massive. Not as big as St. Bernards, but still very large, with very solid bone structure and musculature. I grew up with childhood friends who had a Newfie, and he would gladly tow us around on "flying saucer" aluminum sleds, and give the little kids rides (cheaper than a pony), and when we collapsed in the living room after a day of fun, Cap'n would let all of us lean on him as we lay on the living room floor. He didn't live as long as my family's dog because he was crippled by hip displasia (sp?) and they put him down because he was suffering so. He was a VERY loving and sweet dog.
 
  • #19
Odd. The webby I was on said 28 inches (average) at the shoulder for boys. Same as Dobes :smile:
 
  • #20
Kurdt said:
Odd. The webby I was on said 28 inches (average) at the shoulder for boys. Same as Dobes :smile:
Yeah, but your Dobe is a basketball player. Newfies are defensive linemen (American football). The difference is in sheer mass.
 
  • #21
turbo-1 said:
Yeah, but your Dobe is a basketball player. Newfies are defensive linemen (American football). The difference is in sheer mass.

Well I was going off height :-p
 
  • #22
They don't have any aggressive look .. :)

But, I wouldn't mess around with a really big dog.
 
  • #23
Kurdt said:
Well I was going off height :-p

:biggrin: aspect ratio for Dobies <> aspect ratio for Newfies
 
  • #24
rootX said:
They don't have any aggressive look .. :)

But, I wouldn't mess around with a really big dog.
Newfies are NOT aggressive. They are in fact life-savers, and will willingly help humans in distress. They were very popular life-savers on commercial fishing boats in the past.
 
  • #25
lisab said:
:biggrin: aspect ratio for Dobies <> aspect ratio for Newfies
Yep! Newfies are very solid dogs, strong swimmers, great pullers. I wouldn't mind sharing my house with one except that my wife and I have "just" enough room here now, and a Newfie would be a big, joyful encumbrance and moving barrier all day long. Plus, he would eat as much food as we do.
 
  • #26
Moonbear said:
Keep in mind that any behavioral problems associated with keeping him intact (i.e., marking his territory by lifting his leg places you don't want it lifted) will develop early. Waiting a couple of years to have him neutered might leave you stuck with some undesirable behaviors. You might want to discuss this plan with your vet, and find out if s/he has any breed specific advice about this.

Recent studies have shown that the larger breeds of dogs should not be neutered until 1.5 years to 2 years. After talking with my vet he said that I should leave it as long as I can, I guess neutering too early can cause growth problems which can lead to serious medical issues later in life. The breeder had 10 intact males and I met all of them. They were just big old teddy bears as far as I could tell. Our dogs have a huge fenced in yard just for them, so he can lift his leg where ever he wants provided he does it outside. So far he seems to understand that he must do this outdoors and he is only 8 weeks. If behaviors arise which I think are hormonal we won't wait to neuter him, but if we can leave him whole for a while then we plan to do so. My main concern is the rate of growth. We have to carry him up and down the stairs until his is at least 6 months to help avoid hip problems and I fear he'll be bigger than me at that point...
 
  • #27
Congratulations with that doggie. Fileen, great looking.

I would consider leaving him intact. I never had my Siberian Huskies neutered and never encountered any real problems. But then again I lived in the woods then

Just for reference about the http://www.bigpawsonly.com/biggest-dog-features.htm

Irish Wolfhound: weight: 105-125 lbs. height: 35-35 in.
Great Danes: weight: 100-120 lbs. height: 28-32 in.
English Mastiff: weight: 175-190 lbs. height: 27.5-30 in.
Neopolitan Mastiff: weight: 150-180 lbs. height: 26-31 in.
Newfoundland: weight: 130-150 lbs. height 28-30 in.
Saint Bernard: weight: 150-200 lbs. height: 27-30 in
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #28
He learned to bark today. Up until now he only made the motions but no sound came out. He actually scared himself upon hearing his own bark. I've never laughed so hard in my life!
 
  • #29
Andre's link says they don't bark much.
 
  • #30
fileen said:
He learned to bark today. Up until now he only made the motions but no sound came out. He actually scared himself upon hearing his own bark. I've never laughed so hard in my life!

:smile: That made me laugh out loud just imagining him scaring himself with his bark. :smile:

That's interesting about the larger breeds needing to wait longer before being neutered. I wasn't familiar with those studies. If you have references for them on hand, I'd like to see them. Thinking about it, it makes sense, since they probably have a longer growth period than a smaller dog and more demands on their skeleton. Of course, if you wait that long to neuter them, it would be purely for birth control and not for preventing any of the bad habits male dogs get when they hit puppy puberty. But, as you said, play it by ear...if some of the bad behaviors start to show up, you can decide then to do it sooner. It's a good indicator if all the males that breeder has are well-behaved.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 76 ·
3
Replies
76
Views
10K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
12
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K