Does Stoke's Law Disregard Weight in Fluid Dynamics?

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The discussion revolves around Stoke's Law and its implications in fluid dynamics, particularly concerning the relationship between the radius of a sphere and its terminal velocity in a fluid. Participants explore the role of weight, drag, and buoyancy in this context, questioning how weight can be disregarded in the analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about Stoke's Law, specifically how a larger radius leads to a faster descent while weight is said to be disregarded.
  • Another participant clarifies that the discussion pertains to terminal velocity, where the forces of gravity, buoyancy, and drag are balanced.
  • There is a question about whether mass is a factor in determining terminal velocity and how to isolate the effects of radius while keeping mass and density constant.
  • It is noted that gravitational force is proportional to mass, buoyant force to volume, and drag force to radius, suggesting a complex interplay of these factors.
  • One participant points out that drag is also proportional to the velocity of the sphere, indicating that terminal velocity is reached when the net force is zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the role of weight in relation to Stoke's Law and terminal velocity. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the factors influencing the descent of spheres in fluids, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying Stoke's Law, particularly in relation to the conditions under which weight can be disregarded. There are unresolved questions about how to maintain constant mass and density while varying radius.

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This discussion may be of interest to students studying fluid dynamics, particularly those exploring the principles of Stoke's Law and terminal velocity in the context of physics education.

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I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this; if it isn't, could someone point me in the right direction... thanks.

Anyhow, today in Physics (I am currently studying A-levels in England) we came across Stoke's Law. We were taught that, essentially it meant that the greater a spheres radius, the faster it falls through a fluid, and that weight does not factor in. However, I do not understand this; we have been taught that a larger object results in greater resistance from whatever it is moving in.
And I also wondered how it was possible to rule out weight as a factor. Surely, it is impossible to test the correlation between weight and the speed (keeping volume / radius the same) without changing density, which is something not being changed in the original experiment, therefore you can't really rule out weight (or can you...?).
These were my issues. I quickly wore out my teacher with my questions... perhaps I am missing some obvious point.

Anyhow, is there anyone here who could explain, in layman's terms (if that's not asking for too much), why a larger radius makes it descend faster (assuming weight does not matter), and how Stoke managed to rule out weight as the independent variable.

Have I missed something?

Thanks in advance

Riga-b
 
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Riga-b said:
I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this; if it isn't, could someone point me in the right direction... thanks.

Anyhow, today in Physics (I am currently studying A-levels in England) we came across Stoke's Law. We were taught that, essentially it meant that the greater a spheres radius, the faster it falls through a fluid, and that weight does not factor in. However, I do not understand this; we have been taught that a larger object results in greater resistance from whatever it is moving in.
And I also wondered how it was possible to rule out weight as a factor. Surely, it is impossible to test the correlation between weight and the speed (keeping volume / radius the same) without changing density, which is something not being changed in the original experiment, therefore you can't really rule out weight (or can you...?).
These were my issues. I quickly wore out my teacher with my questions... perhaps I am missing some obvious point.

Anyhow, is there anyone here who could explain, in layman's terms (if that's not asking for too much), why a larger radius makes it descend faster (assuming weight does not matter), and how Stoke managed to rule out weight as the independent variable.

Have I missed something?

Thanks in advance

Riga-b

Your teacher, I think, was talking about the *terminal* velocity of a sphere that is falling through a fluid under the influence of gravity. In this case, consideration of
[tex] m\bold{a}=0=\bold{F}_{\rm gravity}+\bold{F}_{\rm buoyancy}+\bold{F}_{\rm drag}\;,[/tex]
where F_drag is given by Stoke's law, will show that the terminal velocity is proportional to the square of the radius of the sphere. So, with all other things fixed, the larger the sphere, the larger the terminal velocity.
 
Ah, I see. So mass is a factor in determining the terminal velocity of the sphere. Or have I misread the equation?

If it is not, how is it possible to keep all other things fixed (mass and density included) to determine that it is indeed the volume / radius of the sphere?

Thanks for your reply. Sorry if I'm not getting something.
 
F_grav is proportional to the mass of the sphere, F_buoyancy is proportional to the volume of the sphere, F_drag is proportional to the radius of the sphere.
 
F_drag is also proportional to the velocity of the sphere.

By definition, that we are at the terminal velocity mean that the sum of the forces is zero.
 

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