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judefrance
May23-04, 04:38 AM
Can you help me to solve this:
(dē e(r)/drē)+(1/r)*(d e(r)/dr)=0
There is no initials conditions, please use general form
arildno
May23-04, 04:44 AM
Hint:
Convince yourself of the following equality:
\frac{d^{2}e}{dr^{2}}+\frac{1}{r}\frac{de}{dr}=\fr ac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dr}(r\frac{de}{dr})
judefrance
May23-04, 04:57 AM
And, if i want to find the general form of e(r)?
arildno
May23-04, 05:10 AM
You get:
\frac{d}{dr}(r\frac{de}{dr})=0
This differential equation can be directly integrated to find the general solution.
judefrance
May23-04, 05:50 AM
If I understand, you've made:
1/r*d/dr*(r*de/dr)=0
so:
d/dr*(r*de/dr)=0
If i integrate, i find:
e(r)=A*ln(r)+B
Wrong or not ?
judefrance
May23-04, 06:56 AM
THANKS!!!!! you save me!!!
TALewis
May23-04, 08:50 AM
I would also do it this way:
Rewriting:
e''+\frac{1}{r}e'=0
I would then multiply through by r^2:
r^2e''+re'=0
I would recognize this as a d.e. of the Euler-Cauchy form:
x^2y''+axy' + by=0
In the case of the given equation, a=1 and b=0. The characteristic equation for the Euler-Cauchy is:
m^2+(a-1)m+b=0
In our case:
\begin{align*}
m^2&=0\\
m&=0
\end{align*}
For the case of a real double root in the characteristic equation, the general solution for the Euler-Caucy is given as:
y=(A + B\ln x)x^m
So in our case:
\begin{align*}
e(r)&=(A + B\ln r)x^0\\
e(r)&=A + B\ln r
\end{align*}
I guess this solution depends on having the Euler-Cauchy form available to you in your course, which may not be the case.
HallsofIvy
May23-04, 05:32 PM
Another way to do this problem is let u= e' so that u'= e" and the equation reduces to the separable first order equation u'+ (1/r)u= 0. Then du/u= -dr/r and so
ln(u)= -ln(r)+ C1 or u= e'= C1/r. Integrating again, e= C1ln|r|+ C2.
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