time travel with the mind?

[christian_dude_27]

Recently, I went through a sort of "stage" where i wanted to disprove everything worth disproving, and we all know, if you move one card at the bottom of a stack, you change quite a bit. What i did was try to figure out the atomic theory structure.

I wanted to see if it was right. I came up with the conclusion that it has to be missing something, to have as many flaws as it does. And in the process of doing that, i ran across an amazing discovery, it is yet to be tested, to even be true or not, i have absolutely no mathematics to it, i myself am no mathematician, but i have a good understanding in physics.

I belive i have figured out how to time travel with the mind inside you. Now, if you dont belive in the spiritual dimension, turn away now, because this theory revolves around the belief that there is one. And i dont want anyone getting "angry" because i belive something they do not, that is pure ignorance. Ok, i was trying to figure out where the connection of the physical and spiritual worlds were.

It is obviously there, somewhere, because our spirit is able to control our physical body and yet be a "spirit" at the same time. This means that is connected to the physical world through a hole structure and not a solid structure. Put it this way, if you take a crochet blanket: the holes will represent inol energy (i will explain inol energy in a minute) and the solid lines represent the physical and spiritual worlds. the inol energy, in the crochet blanket, works in small groups and not as one whole, so if you were to try and control them in this state, you could only control one at a time.

While on the other hand, if they were like a comforter blanket, it acts as a whole and you could control them all as one large group of inol energy. Now, let me explain what inol energy is exactly. I was trying to understand the atomic structure, but it just didn't fit right with me. Negative and positive charges, attraction and repulsion, they just didnt mix together.

I discovered that without some force to push the electrons away from the protons it would cause a catostrophic end of the atomic structure, and i didn't want to see that. Some people tell me that it is the force of the electron's high speeds that holds it away from the proton. That is false, electrons can not move that quickly without causing a constant electrical disturbance, and from what i can see, i dont get electricuted constantly, do you? I didn't think so. I aggree, the electrons move relatively fast, but not fast enough to overcome the laws of electrical forces.

Yea, it's a simple idea, but if they were even able to move fast enough to keep from falling into the atom, well they would end up colliding with each other and we would see little electrical "pops" in mid air all the time, but we dont. So i thought id try and fix the problem. My solution said that electrons have negative charges (which we already know) and that all negative electrical charges ONLY repel, never attract. Well that goes completely against what i was taught in high school.

So i had to fix that as well; i belive i have. I included the inol force, from inol energy. Inol energy has no time or particle intervention. Basically the element of time travel. In ANY electrical charge or force, which ever direction the inol energy is flowing is also where the electrical forces flow. Now this force is powerful enough to overcome electrical forces. Even though electrons always repel, they can be held together by a much stronger force, like the inol energy. And da da da etc.

And you have electricity, ionic bonds, and all of that fun stuff. But it does go further. Electrons are everywhere, they make up the basics of our universe. I have reason to believe that the spirit is connected throught he brain. Here is one reason why i say that: during the medievil ages, when they cut people's head off, the head was still "alive and active" for at least ten seconds. So, without the rest of the bodily organs, what do you have left? the brain. And they brain is always giving off electrical charges isnt it? Inol energy is also what holds dimensions together.

But before you can understand that, you must realize that dimensions are not parallel. Instead they lay inside one another, connected and yet disconnected in various places. Here's an almost exact analogy: your body, and your spirit. If the electrical pulses in your brain stop, you spirit is no longer connected to the physical body, and you "die". But then there is the idea that a ghost/spirit usually has most of it's body parts (personally i think it is all a mind thing, most evcerything is.

The mind has quite a bit of power. If you cant picture yourself or "cant remember" having a head when it is cut off in the physical world, then you wonr have one. But if you cant picture it not being there, then you will have it. It is also controlled by what other peopel belive, the ghost/spirit itself may actually have a head, but if yor thoughts wont allow you to see that, it will make up a new picture using the signitures sent off from the spirit.) So, anyways, all dimensions lay inside each other just like the spirit lays inside our body. Well, that completley leaves out hyperspace..or does it? Hyperspace is just as much an object as space itself is (the aether).

And i belive the hyperspace is actually inol energy. They are one-in-the-same. So, with that in mind, we have slready said in past documents that hyperspace itself has no particle or time intervention, because it is "empty" of both, but it is an energy, simple energy with a force. And this hyperspace is connected and disconnected to all dimensions in various places. Which allows for multiple spirits, like ourselves. Now, to realize the facts: inol energy/hyperspace has no time or particle intervention but does have a force. our spirit is connected thrught he brain.

The brain sends out electrical pulses CONSTANTLY until it is dead. Thus inol energy exists in the brain, and also all other parts of the body. So, if you can astral project, and take your entire body with you, that means use the inol energy within your entire body, and surround yourself in inol energy, then you will be time traveling. The only tough part is geting back to where you want to go. Our mind is very powerful, and one thought can send you back to the ice age, literally.

So, NEVER TRY THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF IT (how to leave and how to come back). Imagine the possabilities. That is my idea of time travel with the mind, feel free to send comments and questions. I do have one correction to make on this theory. I have "murged" my theory with a friend of mine's theory, called jellotivity. (before you read mine, please read his, it should be on the forums here somewhere). Anyways, the idea of inol energy being an energy at all, is irrelevant. Instead, it is "jello" as explained in kama's theory of jellotivity.

[syano]

Paragraphs are your friend.

[ram2048]

win the lottery and i'll believe you :D

[arildno]

An argument that abounds with spelling mistakes and syntax errors is, more often than not, devoid of logical coherence and consistency as well.

Alternatively, if don't bother to show your readers the common courtesy of delivering your argument in a readable form, why should they bother to read it?

[ram2048]

because you want to time travel

oh yes you know you do...

[geistkiesel]

i am new at this, posting forums, this is my first in fct, and feel free to make any comments that you wish, just do not be closed minded or i will ignore you..please be sure to read the entire forum, many times it answers most questions you ask, so dont be stupid and not read it and then ask me a question.

recently, i went through a sort of "stage" where i wanted to disprove everything worth disproving, and we all know, if you move one card at the bottom of a stack, you change quite a bit. what i did was try to figure out the atomic theory structure. i wanted to see if it was right. i came up with the conclusion that it has to be missing something, to have as many flaws as it does. and in the process of doing that, i ran across an amazing discovery, it is yet to be tested, to even be true or not, i have absolutely no mathematics to it, i myself am no mathematician, but i have a good understanding in physics. i belive i have figured out how to time travel with the mind inside you. now, if you dont belive in the spiritual dimension, turn away now, because this theory revolves around the belief that there is one. and i dont want anyone getting "angry" because i belive something they do not, that is pure ignorance. ok, i was trying to figure out where the connection of the physical and spiritual worlds were. it is obviously there, somewhere, because our spirit is able to control our physical body and yet be a "spirit" at the same time. this means that is connected to the physical worl through a hole structure and not a solid structure. put it this way, if you take a crochet blanket: the holes will represent inol energy (i will explain inol energy is a minute) and the solid lines represent the physical and spiritual worlds. the inol energy, in the crochet blanket, works in small groups and not as one whole, so if you were to try and control them in this state, you could only control one at a time. while on the otehr hand, if they were like a comforter blanket, it acts as a whole and you could control them all as one large group of inol energy. now, let me explain what inol energy is exactly. i was trying to understand the atomic structure, but it jsut didnt fit riht with me. negative and positive charges, attraction and repulsion, they just didnt mix together. i discovered that without some for to push the electrons away from teh protons it would cause a catostrophic end of the atomic structure, and i didnt want to see that. some people tell me that it is the force of the electron's high speeds that holds it away from the proton. that is false, electrons can not move that quickly without causing a constant electrical disturbance, and from what i can see, i dont get electricuted constantly, do you? i didnt think so. i aggree, the electrons move relatively fast, but not fast enough to overcome the laws of electrical forces. yea, its a simple idea, but if they were even able to move fast enough to keep from falling into the atom, well they would end up colliding with each toher and we would see little electrical "pops" in mid air all the time, but we dont. so i thought id try and fix the problem. my solution said that electrons have negative charges (which we already know) and that all negative electrical charges ONLY repel, ever attract. well that goes completely against what i was taught in high school. so i had to fix that as well; i belive i have. i included the inol force, from inol energy. inol energy has no time or particle intervention. basically the element of time travel. in ANY electrical charge or force, which ever direction the inol energy is flowing is also where the electrical forces flow. now this force is powerful enough to overcome electrical forces. even though electrons always repel, they can be held together by a much stronger force, like the inol energy. and da da da etc. and you have electricity, ionic bonds, and all of that fun stuff. but it oes further. electrons are everywhere, they make up the basics of our universe. i have reason to believe that the spirit is connected throught he brain. here is one reason why i say that: during the medievil ages, when they cut people's head off, the head was still "alive and active" for at least ten seconds. so, without the rest of the bodily organs, what do you have left? the brain. and they brain is always giving off electrical charges isnt it? inol energy is also what holds dimensions together. but before you can understand that, you must realize that dimensions are not parallel. instead they lay inside one another, connected and yet disconnected in various places. here's an almost exact analogy: your body, and your spirit. if the electrical pulses in your brain stop, you spirit is no longer connected to the physical body, and you "die". but then there is the idea that a ghost/spirit usually has most of it's body parts (personally i think it is all a mind thing, most evcerything is. the mind has quite a bit of power. if you cant picture yourself or "cant remember" having a head when it is cut off in the physical world, then you wonr have one. but if you cant picture it not being there, then you will have it. it is also controlled by what other peopel belive, the ghost/spirit itself may actually have a head, but if yor thoughts wont allow you to see that, it will make up a new picture using the signitures sent off from the spirit.) so, anyways, all dimensions lay inside each other just like the spirit lays inside our body. well, that completley leaves out hyperspace..or does it? hyperspace is jsut as much an object as space itself is (the aether). and i belive the hyperspace is actually inol energy. they are one-in-the-same. so, with that in mind, we have slready said in past documents that hyperspace itself ahs no particle or time intervention, because it is "empty" of both, but it is an energy, simple energy with a force. and this hyperspace is connected and disconnected to al dimensions in various places. which allows for multiple spirits, like ourselves. now, to realize the facts: inol energy/hyperspace has no time or particle intervention but does have a force. our spirit is connected thrught he brain. the brain sends out electrical pulses CONSTANTLY until it is dead. thus inol energy exists in the brain, and also al other parts of the body. so, if you can astral project, and take your entire body with you, that means use the inol energy within your entire body, and surround yourself in inol energy, then you will be time traveling. the only tought part is geting back to where you want to go. our mind is very powerful, and one thought can send you back to the ice age, literally. so, NEVER TRY THIS UNLESS YOU AHVE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF IT (how to leave and how to come back). imagine the possabilities. (please pardon my cronic typo errors, i type fast and really dont like to edit my work, so just bear with me) that is my idea of time travel with the mind, feel free to send comments and questions.


I saw at least one glaring error: "i type fast and really don't like to edit my work"

I really don't like to read materials where the writer is insensitive, impervious and totally ignorant of subjects such as the projected basic reading ease of her audience. This equated to comedians who don't like telling funny jokes.

Who the heck do you think you are, hey? It sounds like you are going to claim next that you've done a "pretty good job in making the rest of us in your images". I want my money back.

[Alkatran]

I stopped reading at

now, if you dont belive in the spiritual dimension, turn away now, because this theory revolves around the belief that there is one. and i dont want anyone getting "angry" because i belive something they do not, that is pure ignorance. ok, i was trying to figure out where the connection of the physical and spiritual worlds were. it is obviously there, somewhere, because our spirit is able to control our physical body and yet be a "spirit" at the same time.

[christian_dude_27]

i thank you all for your comments, they mean alot even though alot of them were actually insulting, but yet still helped. i will work more on editing my work, and making it more formitable for others to read. i would however like to know what you thought of the actuall idea of time travel with the mind concept. just, ignore the typo's for now, i can fix them later, im working on it right now as a matter a fact; i really would like to know what you think of the idea of time travel with the mind exactly. thank you all again.

[ram2048]

i think you'd have to smoke some pretty potent crack to time travel with your mind :O

good luck in your endeavors

[arildno]

"they mean alot even though alot of them were actually insulting"

No one here has insulted you; however, you have insulted many by breaking basic rules of courtesy.

[WWW]

Hi christian_dude_27,

Please answer to a simple question:

What, in your opinion, is the difference between beanig alive and being dead?

[12345]

well, erm try to be a bit neat with your messages please. anyway, your theory, to me, is very hard to imagine.

"i thank you all for your comments, they mean alot even though alot of them were actually insulting"

you have to except that you didn't make reading your theory any easier for members.

[christian_dude_27]

WWW- the difference of being dead and alive: dead=the electrical pulses in your brain has stopped, thus the spirit is no longer connected to your physical body. the spirit can exist in the physical world without being connected to the body, but with consequences of course. the consequenses no one knows, and i'm not about to pressure anyone with my religion, so i'll leave it at that. alive=the elctrical pulses in your brain are still in tact, and thus the spirit is still connected to your body.

12345- i am actually working on making my theory better for others to read and understand. it takes time, because i have to figure out certain analogies to explain this, it is quite hard to explain.

[christian_dude_27]

ok, i edited my work, it is up at the top. if you still see typo problems, could you please tell me where they are. my computer doesn't have MSWORD at the moment, so i dont have any type of word check.

[arildno]

Good editorial work cd27, but is it really necessary to start sentences with lower-case letters? :grumpy:

[christian_dude_27]

lol, well, i never have bothered capitolizing my beginning sentences. It seems as a complete nusence (how ever you spell that word), because everyone still knows what you're saying wether you capitolize or not, but i'm going to go back over it again and fix those mistakes as well, because obviously someone cares.

[christian_dude_27]

i think you'd have to smoke some pretty potent crack to time travel with your mind :O

good luck in your endeavors


crack has absolutely nothing to do with it, in fact, crack destroys your brain cells and causes you to hallucinate, on some occasions. when hallucinations occur, it is because of the malfunctions of the electrical pulses in your brain. you are imagining images and so on, that are really not there. on the other hand, if you time travel with your mind, you bring your physical body along with you, so if anything were to happen to your body in another time or even in the projection from one dimensions to hyperspace to another dimension. remember, it is not tested yet, so the things that could happen to your body, or your mind, are endless as of now. you can time travel without taking your body with you. that is called astral projection and remote viewing. but the is a highly sceptical thing, because it is usually a one person thing, you have to have everyone around you know how to do this in order to get a group of people to go with you. the idea of bringing your body with you mean that you would have physical proof that you really traveled through time. and this way you won't need everyone to "pitch in" their mind to travel with you, you could carry them with you. and this way all of you would see how it works, or jsut see it.

[Antonio Lao]

christian dude 27,

When you astral projected yourself, can you see what you yourself will be doing an hour from now, a day from now, a year from now, or thousand years from now? If it's a thousand-year then you could be projecting yourself beyond your human life-span.

When you can astral project into the past and then you have forgotten something you did on a certain day, 10 years ago, your astral essence can go back to that date and recall or recover this lost memory in vivid details. You can practically see and determine and record all the simultaneous events at the time of your birth.

While in a state of astral projection can it be possible to be aware of other astral beings in the same state? or are you really all alone by yourself?

In physical reality, no two objects can occupy the same space but can all astral beings occupy the same space?

[christian_dude_27]

probably, i dont know that part, never tried it, lol. you may be able to see yourself in the future, or you might "be" yourself in the future. and someone once told me that once you astral project all of your lost memories should come back. i really want that, because i can't remember anything before the age 11 and i'm 17 right now. so yea, i kinda want to astral project. i think you would ahve to be specifically searching for otehr intities that are also astral projecting to be able to see them. but i think there are alot of possibilities with astral projection. but what they usually do with that is only taking the spirit out of the physical body and then moving it to toerh places...what i was talkign about was moving the physical body and the spirit to hyperspace, which is the inol jello (i need to make one more corection about the inol jello as well. it is a sticky-like jello. because it also holds dimensions toegether. you put one glass plate on another, they'll slide off, but you put two glass plates together and put some sticky substance they'll kinda stay together. but you also need to realize, for inol jello to be "acsessable through the mind or any other part of the uiverse at all, there would ahve to be holes. so, here is an analogy: take your hands and cross your fingers together like you're about to pray. now hold them out strait but the fingers still inbetween each other. that's exactly how dimensions act. and you notice, they are not quite one whole yet, there are cracks. inbetween the cracks is inol jello. anywhere there is an electrical force there is inol jello. because for some reason electricity is able to jump between dimensions, like your brain having those electrical pulses and that is why your spirit and body are able to connect. also, if any two things ever occupy the same space, if they are n the same dimension, they will become one, and basically do as if you melted two metals together, they would exist in each others pores.

[hello3719]

You should try to define "spirit" before developping theories concerning it.

[christian_dude_27]

...ok, who the heck does not know what a spirit is? ok, put it this way, take a dead carcas, it has no personality, it doesnt move, it does nothing but rot...when a spirit is in it, it does al the things you are doing now; living, thinking, breathing, acting stupid, giving stupid replies, things in that nature.

[russ_watters]

...ok, who the heck does not know what a spirit is? ok, put it this way, take a dead carcas, it has no personality, it doesnt move, it does nothing but rot...when a spirit is in it, it does al the things you are doing now; living, thinking, breathing, acting stupid, giving stupid replies, things in that nature. So animals have spirits? Does a spirit require a body?

[arildno]

...ok, who the heck does not know what a spirit is? ok, put it this way, take a dead carcas, it has no personality, it doesnt move, it does nothing but rot...when a spirit is in it, it does al the things you are doing now; living, thinking, breathing, acting stupid, giving stupid replies, things in that nature.

Does the bacteria causing the corpse to rot have spirits?

[WWW]

WWW- the difference of being dead and alive: dead=the electrical pulses in your brain has stopped, thus the spirit is no longer connected to your physical body. the spirit can exist in the physical world without being connected to the body, but with consequences of course. the consequenses no one knows, and i'm not about to pressure anyone with my religion, so i'll leave it at that. alive=the elctrical pulses in your brain are still in tact, and thus the spirit is still connected to your body.

What is the difference between spirit and physical matter and how they are related to each other?

the electrical pulses in your brain has stopped

Electrical pulses inside atoms do not stop when we are dead, so please explain us why being alive is not just higher organized complexity of the same pulses, which collapses to lower organized complexity level when we are dead?

What I want to say is: What you call a living thing is actually a cybernetic complex system that can transfer its complexity (mental and physical) through time before it is collapses to a lower complexity level.

[christian_dude_27]

all living things have spirits, insects, bacteria, plants, all of it. you may not notice it because of how much more intelligent you are to them, but have you ever actually sat down and looked at them? ants, they defend their homes at any cost when a preditor atempts to attack them, they scavage for food, and they strive to survive, all of those are characteristics of intelligence. plants, they grow towards the sunlight so they can get their food, they grow towards water so they can get that as well. they protect themselves with thorns and other things like that. those are also characteristics of intelligence. it doesn't mean it's very high intelligence, but it is. plants can't even communicate, well, some of them can, but most can't, that jst means their intellgence isnt high enough to obtain that knowledge. heck, it even took us a good long while to learn to communicate. lok at a small baby, those little kids learn like lightning. very fast, that is pretty high intelligence. once you see that, you wil learn the value of other living things and their intelligence.

ok, the relation between the physical and spiritual matter. for one, spirit is not matter, not even close. electrical pulses open the door for other dimensions, not the spiritual one alone. but what holds those dimensions open is inol jello. let's just say it's kind of like the "matter" of the spiritual dimension. only electrical charges are able to hold it together as an active substance though. without that, there is not spirit. it then only exist in the spiritual dimension. alo, the part of the spirit that connects teh brain is where the personallity and commands come from, even if the rest of your body is giving off electrical pulses, the high energy pulses in your brain must be intact for it to connect the spirit. even if you had just the regular jumps from the electrons, it isn't high enough to work, so you're then considered "dead".

[arildno]

falinte badabits arwi?

[WWW]

Look christian_dude_27,

In my opinion, you need to learn more about basic scientific concepts

For example:

1) The internal forces that govern the sub-particles inside an atom.

2) Complexity theory.

3) Evolution.

4) Chaos theory.

5) Quantum mechanics.

6) Logic.

7) Information theory.

If you do not have any general knowledge in some of those examples,
Then you cannot use scientific concepts with your beliefs, because your
Beliefs mixed with your lack of knowledge in basic scientific concepts
Looks like a very poor cocktail.

[christian_dude_27]

for one, i am a christian, so evolution is screwed in my eyes, two, i have a pretty good understanding of quantum mechanics and general relativity, i have more logic than alot of people on this piece of crap planet (by which they are still destroying without cause), and i have very extensive study on the stomic structure theory..yea, that's right, it is still a theory, jsut as much proof on it as thre is my theory. why can't anyone see the facts around them? how else do you think all of these phenomenas happen? they aren't just made-up stories, because if they were, they would not come from such small places where no one gives a flying cow turd about physics. i have actually seen someone levetate a house, not a very big one, but a house indeed, three feet above the ground. say what you want to say, but it wasn't a magic "trick". if someone can be closed minded enough to not realize that everything being taught to them in all schools have just the same possibility of being absolutely wrong as they do being absolutely right. i don't trust any "theories" any more than i do my own, i'm just trying to find the truth just like everyone else. i know that no one will ever find it until god takes the world back, but i still have that thrive. one more thing, the weak and strong forces, that's a crock of crap. i really don't even think "atoms" exist, but i still go right on along with it because everyone else does. and if you stick out like a bad sore, you end up going to the luny bin, and that aint about to happen. time travel with the mind is very possible. you always have to look at the possibilities. you see, i know there is a great possibility of my theory being completely wrong and completely stupid, but you know what? i can also see that everything we have "thouht" we knew could also be completely wrong and i could be completely right. there is always that possibility. it is your choice to belive me or not, if you don't belive me, don't bother sending a reply to this message, because i could care less. if you have questions about it, yea, i'll answer those the best i can. but i'm only human, i make mistakes, just as many as you and everyone else around you does, so just live with it, that's all you can do anyways.

[christian_dude_27]

falinte badabits arwi?

what the heck does that mean?

[baffledMatt]

...ok, who the heck does not know what a spirit is? ok, put it this way, take a dead carcas, it has no personality, it doesnt move, it does nothing but rot...when a spirit is in it, it does al the things you are doing now; living, thinking, breathing, acting stupid, giving stupid replies, things in that nature.

Hmm, interesting. If I take the battery out of my watch it just sits there and rots (well, rusts). However, when I put the battery in it ticks and tocks and does all the things it is doing now.

Does that make my watch battery a spirit?

Matt

[christian_dude_27]

no, you see, for a spirit to exist, something has to want it to exist, perhaps like a god, if you belive in one. but an alternative for that would be: if your watch had enough artificial intelligence, it may possibly cause a jump in the spiritual dimension to "create" a spirit. remember, for something to ahve a spirit, it msut have "some" level of intelligence. a watch only has a program, no natural intelligence, it can not produce another of its kind through birth and let it grow and develope with a spirit, can it? no, it has to be "remade" and "copied" over and over again to make another one, so no, it has not got a spirit. clones, they are the one thing that are "remade" and "copied" that do have spirits. because, even thought hey wwere remade and copied, they can still go on by themselves and continue creating newborns naturally.

[ram2048]

levitate a house?

you sure you weren't stoned watching TV that day?

not saying you do drugs just sayin maybe someone snuck something into your drink or something

[christian_dude_27]

..ok, you are officially an idiot. i don't drink, i don't smoke, i don't do anything like that crap. and i'm pretty sure i would know if i was ever "stoned" or anything. and yes, i've seen someone levetate a house. i don't see why it's so freaking hard to believe the possibility that things CAN be done. for crying out loud, you got people out there who belive we all came from monkeys, why is levetating a house any different? i know it's not something you see everyday, but that doesn't mean it can not happen. EVERYTHING has the possibility of being possible. remember that, because as long as you study physics at all, you have to BELIEVE that what you are being told is real. for crying out loud, the atom that everyone is so consumed with is still yet a theory, simply a thoery. even to this day, my school's physics textbook says, first thing on atomic struction, is that it is a theory, nothing else. nothing is impossible, but many things are impobable, including us. think about that for a good long while. you could learn alot.

[hello3719]

no, you see, for a spirit to exist, something has to want it to exist, perhaps like a god, if you belive in one. but an alternative for that would be: if your watch had enough artificial intelligence, it may possibly cause a jump in the spiritual dimension to "create" a spirit. remember, for something to ahve a spirit, it msut have "some" level of intelligence. a watch only has a program, no natural intelligence,

What is "enough artificial intelligence" ? What is this level of intelligence required?


it can not produce another of its kind through birth and let it grow and develope with a spirit, can it? no, it has to be "remade" and "copied" over and over again to make another one, so no, it has not got a spirit. clones, they are the one thing that are "remade" and "copied" that do have spirits. because, even thought hey wwere remade and copied, they can still go on by themselves and continue creating newborns naturally.

so that means that mules don't have spirits? Isn't it an animal ?

[christian_dude_27]

ok, mules can reproduce, can they not? if a mule were to have sex with another mule, there would be a baby mule right? supposedly, unless there is something seriously wrong with your mule, like, if a rabbit pops out, you might want to get that checked. the amount of artificial intelligence needed would be the amount needed so that the machine could reproduce itself as a natural animal does. that means through the cells and growth and learned knowledge over year spans.

[baffledMatt]

no, you see, for a spirit to exist, something has to want it to exist,

Well, I kind of want my watch to exist otherwise I can't tell the time.


if your watch had enough artificial intelligence, it may possibly cause a jump in the spiritual dimension to "create" a spirit. remember, for something to ahve a spirit, it msut have "some" level of intelligence.


Ok, so does my computer have a spirit?


a watch only has a program, no natural intelligence,


How do you know that us humans are not simply carrying out the programs inside our brains?


it can not produce another of its kind through birth and let it grow and develope with a spirit, can it? no, it has to be "remade" and "copied" over and over again to make another one, so no, it has not got a spirit. clones, they are the one thing that are "remade" and "copied" that do have spirits. because, even thought hey wwere remade and copied, they can still go on by themselves and continue creating newborns naturally.

So are you saying that someone who is infertile has no spirit?

Matt

[12345]

...ok, who the heck does not know what a spirit is? ok, put it this way, take a dead carcas, it has no personality, it doesnt move, it does nothing but rot...when a spirit is in it, it does al the things you are doing now; living, thinking, breathing, acting stupid, giving stupid replies, things in that nature.

well i thought the brain developes connections depending on your surroundings which helps you do all these things. not the spirit.

[hello3719]

ok, mules can reproduce, can they not? if a mule were to have sex with another mule, there would be a baby mule right? supposedly, unless there is something seriously wrong with your mule, like, if a rabbit pops out, you might want to get that checked. the amount of artificial intelligence needed would be the amount needed so that the machine could reproduce itself as a natural animal does. that means through the cells and growth and learned knowledge over year spans.

mules are not fertile, they can't reproduce themselves.

[arildno]

christian dude
Throughout your entire life, you have soiled your innate capacity for rational thought by wallowing in the mental garbage known as christianity.
Do yourself a favour; grow up into a rational, thinking adult.

[ram2048]

i've seen someone levetate a house

who, pray tell?

EVERYTHING has the possibility of being possible. remember that, because as long as you study physics at all, you have to BELIEVE that what you are being told is real

we don't believe without convincing evidence. levitating houses goes way beyond 6 billion people in the world telling you that smoking will give you cancer. 1 stoner telling me he sees people levitating houses is NOT a possibility unless he provided pictures, video clips, or the person who can do it demonstrating his powers.

[Degu]

Why do you think that the thing we call spirit is not a creation of the mind, and if you are dead and your spirit leaves your body how come it will remember nothing when it is reborn in the body of an infant?
Or did I misunderstood you and a "spirit" never returns or what? I'm trying hard to understand your theory pal. If you ever wanted to write a book on this issue I want to be your publisher:)))))))))

[christian_dude_27]

for one, to get this off my chest, i have very good reasons of being a christian, do not say things of which you do not understand. you don't understand my religion, you probably never will, i see it much differently than you obviously, and it really is none of your bussiness of what religion i live by, i'll that at that. even though someone, or mules, can not reprodude, their cells do. i think, what is it, like ever 15 years al of the cells in your body have replaced themselves with new cells. not all at once of corse, but over that 15 year period. does a watch have any type of living celliar structure at all, other than atoms? no. and besides, atoms reside in living an non-living things, but cells only reside in living things. all living things contain cells. your watch, you battery, your computer, none of those have cells, so they are not living. they may have electrical pulsed, but without a cell, which hold the rna and the dna that control your body's functions and creations of itself, there is no possible way for it to live. now if you found a way to build a watch on a living person and doing all that kinda stuff, yea, wow, good job, but if hat person went out and had a kid, i'm sure the watch wouldn't be born with him/her. convincing evidence? you missed my point entirely. one thing, just one thing, changes in teh laws of physics and then everything you know could be turned upside down and proven to be wrong, when jsut a litle while ago it was "proven" corresct. you see, everyone once thought that earth was flat, but a couple centuries later new laws in physics and new abilities to observe clearer showed that it was round. even today, no matter how much you think your answers are correct, or how much "evidence" you have for them, you msut always remember the possibility that you could very well be wrong. it's a 50/50 chance your taking. of course you're going to take the good 50, but you can't ignore the bad 50, right? and most people don't like to demonstrate their powers because of the press and then people trying to call them witches and stuff...oh, by the way, did you know that in some states it is still okay, under the law, to burn someon at the stake for being a witch? the only reason that guy let me see what he could do was because i was into the exact same stuff, then i got out of it. but i did see him levetate a house. now, as i said before, he ma have really levetated that house, but there is still that 50% chance that another new law of physics somewhere down the line says he didn't no matter what proof i have. you see what i mean here? as i said before, the spirit is what contains the personality and actually does all of the thinking, not the brain, but the brain, in the physical world, is where this personality would be. so if you die, your brain is still there, but is not active, so without the spirit, you have no way of letting your surrounding control what you do. of course, many people, in fact most people, lock themselves in on the fact that they don't have a spirit. oh well, their loss, but i won't force anyone to belive what they don't want. i can't, it's always our decisions to belive or not to belive. no one can control anyone else's self will, they can persuade them, put a gun to their head, or jsut look em in the eyes, but that never mean you absolutely have to do it, and you can always get away from a gun to your head, well, for the love of god, i hope you can.

[Dialog]

if you don't belive me, don't bother sending a reply to this message, because i could care less.

christian_dude_27, Science is not just a collection of theoretical and empirical methods that were developed during the years through hard work of a lot of dedicated researchers.

The heart of Science is the open dialog between people, which is based on "?" mark that save it as an open system that can be changed by new ideas and/or experimental results.

Your religious approach is based on "!" mark (God and his holy book) where any phenomenon is not natural but a miracle of "God's hands".

My question is: Why do you need the "?" mark to support your "!" mark?

[christian_dude_27]

god and his holy book are what "I" live by, therefore my work revolvs around him and his bok. if someone doesn't feel the same way about their own work,t hen what is the point in even replying to my work, in the end they will only reject it. i don't have a "?" with god, i belive that whatever is in the book is true and absolutely real, despite what anyone has to say about it, that is all.

[arildno]

Your mentality is wholly tainted by, and quite possibly, irrepairably damaged by religious crap.
Every word you have written reeks of it (besides being spelt wrong, mostly).
In addition, you haven't grasped the basic difference between assertions and arguments.
You, your religion and your ideas are all beneath contempt.

[christian_dude_27]

i'm glad you think so highly of my religion, unfortuantely, i really don't care what you think of my religion, but any oppinion on my theory, and/or how to fix something with it would be greatly appreciated.

[Dialog]

i don't have a "?" with god, i belive that whatever is in the book is true and absolutely real, despite what anyone has to say about it, that is all.

You did not answer to my question, which is:

Why do you need science (electrical pulses) to support your religiues ideas about time travel, you simply can say that you do not care about any scientific model made by men, and your realm is God and the Bible.

By this approach will be unest with yourself and with any one who read your "time travel" ideas.

[hello3719]

Ok. If I understood you well, spirits are in every organisms that have living cells and where these cells can multiply. Is that right?

[christian_dude_27]

hello, you are corect, but only if the cells can multiply by themselves, with no help from anyone or anything, a natural selection.

dialog, well, electrical impulses, for one, just "feel" right to me. they feel like the right answer. and from what i've learned in life, always trust your gut feelings. but, in scientific terms, in the medievil timed, when they cut heads off, the head was still alive for like ten seconds, and then the only reason it died was because of lack of oxygen. the rest of the body died instantly. because the brain part of the body is what controls the rest of the body. that tells me that it is the brain where the spirit is connected to it, correct? and then, it has been proven that the brain has quite a bit of electrical pulses flowing through it. that gives the logical answer that electrical impulses are where the spiritual dimension and physical dimension are connected.

[ram2048]

so suppose i make a robot whose purpose is to create other robots like himself.

this particular robot has the virtue of being able to "eat" stuff and within its body break stuff down to the molecular level and use that "stuff" to form the parts that will make up another robot that can do the same thing.

does the robot get a spirit?

[mikesvenson]

that is pure ignorance.
Yes it is, just like the absolute belief in the literal meanings of a book that controls an organized religion. A book that has been re-written many times with political influence. The belief that a particular organized religion is superior and right over all the others. This by far is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard of. It fits in the same catagory with the belief that all races are not equal due to differences in skin color, etc. If a wrong card at the bottom of a stack is the cause of a mass dissorder in a system, then you are clearly not playing with a full deck. HAHA. I am totally dissing you.

ps. I had not untill just recently decided to put in a few words about the subject, since I don't usually like to argue, but you are the epitome of self-contradiction.

[hello3719]

So plants have a spirit by your definition. But you said that the spirit is connected with brains. But plants don't have brains, do they ? So there is a contradiction.

[christian_dude_27]

hello, ther is no contradiction tehre, a plant does not have th same cell structure as we do, its brain is not our "brain". get the point? mike, the bible says all people are equal, you yourself are self-contradicting. try to understand what you say before you open your mouth. if a robot could get that advanced, is it truly a robot anymore? or is it a living creation, just like us? technichly, we are robots as well. our body is "programed" to do certain things under certain conditions, and to act a certain way. a flaw in this program, which is normal among everyone, because we are not perfect, would be our ability to have self will.

[hello3719]

So decide yourself, do plants have a spirit?

[christian_dude_27]

yes, but not as advanced as ours, they are very low intelligence, we are high level.

[hello3719]

oh so now there exist different level of spirits?

So what is a spirit then?
Personnality is not due to what you call spirits but rather a reaction to the world in wich we live and how we are influenced.Everything is due to action-reactions phenomena.

[arildno]

yes, but not as advanced as ours, they are very low intelligence, we are high level.
I'm high-level, you are not

[ram2048]

what the people are trying to break to you is that science and religion are for the most part mutually exclusive.

science is based upon finding provable rational answers for unexplained phenomena.

religion is based around explaining phenomena in terms of God, proof or no proof

as a scientist, you cannot allow yourself to accept things without a reasonable amount of proof. the "Book" is not proof, but theory, so to speak. many people believe in the theory, and they all have their reasons. most of them include fear, indoctrination, peer-pressure, gullibility, and weakness.

the day that God comes down to earth and television broadcasts worldwide that "hey, man. you know this earth thing? i made that! like whoa!" THEN we'll have proof. Until then we need science.

[christian_dude_27]

well, the facts are here, accept them or dont, your choice. i could give you facts al day long, but until you accept them, they are worthless to you. no need to continue this post unless someone can accept the facts.

[ram2048]

a fact is something that is backed by evidence

by itself it is not factual

you don't accept something because it is a fact, you accept it because it is supported by overwhelming evidence.

if some random person comes to your house and says "hey, they're giving out free money at the courthouse today. go get yours" do you believe them? no

you question their motives, examine their demeanor (do they seem like the lying scamming type?), and maybe phone a few friends, turn on the news, and check the internet.

if all the above check out then it's highly likely that this is a fact.

on the other hand if the president of the united states comes on TV and says massive additional tax refund, visit nearest courthouse to claim, you can almost certainly accept that as a fact right away.

the difference is credibility. something which christianity has trouble with considering the myriad of fairy tales and stories in "the book". all of them claiming to be truthful accounts, but none with any proof or evidence.

but i'm not here to debate that with you. come back with evidence that you can time travel and i'll be right there with you.

i want to buy some microsoft stock

[hello3719]

yes, but not as advanced as ours, they are very low intelligence, we are high level.

Are you trying to say that intelligence is directly proportionnal to "the level of our spirit" ? Meaning that intelligence is what influences our spirit. How do you mesure the intelligence of a plant? What it is responsible for its "intelligence" ?

[christian_dude_27]

a fact is something that is backed by evidence

true, but you miss the conception that there IS overwhelming evidence that proves god is real. but until you can accept that evidence as real evidence and not a fake, then you will never realize it. and by the way..in case you didn't know this, the bible is even talked about in our history boks, jesus is even talked about. obviously that is real. the first three books of the bible are the history of the jews, and is proven by history records itself to be true.

[christian_dude_27]

hello,

um, not exactly, no. a spitit is a spirit, they are all "worth" the same. but we, because of our high intelligence, would never realize that a plant, without hardly the same intelligence as we, also has a spirit. if it is living, it has a spirit. simple enough.

[hello3719]

so what you said before isn't valid since you said the spirit of the plant "isn't as advanced as ours" and now you say that they are worth the same. You still didn't define what a spirit is without falling into contradictions.

[ram2048]

and by the way..in case you didn't know this, the bible is even talked about in our history boks, jesus is even talked about. obviously that is real. the first three books of the bible are the history of the jews, and is proven by history records itself to be true.

tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time. with the blood of patriots and tyrants...

and by the same token, every generation must have its own "evidence".

take the word "research" which is "re" - to do again. "search" - to seek out or look for.

say those accounts fortold thousands of years ago are true. where are all the miracles of god today? if god wants us to believe in him, it is WELL within his power to manifest to us and say "hey guys, have some loaves and fishes"

that he doesn't do so is either A> proof that he doesn't exist or B> doesn't care whether you believe in him or not

[hello3719]

hello,

um, not exactly, no. a spitit is a spirit, they are all "worth" the same. but we, because of our high intelligence, would never realize that a plant, without hardly the same intelligence as we, also has a spirit. if it is living, it has a spirit. simple enough.

yea...... a spirit is a spirit , this defines well spirit.

I can say that everything that is living has a uiuopsdfhjhjks, but does it mean something useful?

[Antonio Lao]

Placing a touch of scientific terminology into the supernaturalism of the word 'spirit,' this is analogous to a magnetic field. Magnetic field are everywhere. In the smallest things such as a neutrino. In the vacuum. In stars, in galaxies, in quasars, in black holes. Still the unit (magnetic monopole) of magnetism cannot be isolated but magnetic field do exist. Magnetic field is moving. Yet nobody knows, for sure, how fast it is moving but all we can assume is that it must be moving at the speed of light in vacuum since this speed is the maximum allowable by the theory of special relativity.
The property of spin in elementary particles is intimately related to magnetism. Since there are two poles (cannot be separated) in magnetism, the N-pole and the S-pole, we can make the analogy that there is also a good 'spirit' and a bad 'spirit.' And this good and bad spirit cannot be separated. But a good spirit will know it is good and a bad spirit will know it is bad. One can identify the other but cannot exist without the other.

[christian_dude_27]

antonio, at least one person can understand without asking stupid questions to make themselves look like complete idots by not reading the posts i have posted. they already kow what a spirit is, why ak me? it's quite obviouse...take a second to think about this guys, what do you think a spirit is? um, probably the same thing you've heard all your life. personally, i can't think of myself as being a finite being. we are infinite. god is eternal. the difference in teh three are: eternal- not a beginning, not an end; infinite-having a beginning, not an end; finite- having both a beginning and an end. we are not finite, we are infinite. no, not much proof for that, considering we have ghost reports out our butt holes, we have strange phenomena that can oly be explained through thought that there is a spirit, and then we have other phenomena that can only be explained with a power other than our physical body, if it was only our physical body, it would die before we could do hardly anything close to what we do.

ok people, don't bother posting ANYTHING else on this post unless it is purely based on my theory, the fact of what a spirit is or what it isn't is not part of the topic, so leave it out of the picture. if another post is posted on any other topic here other than what was provided of the theory i will have no choice but to report it to the moderator. please keep to the topic.

[hello3719]

Those questions are to make you think more deeply about what you are talking about. We already know that your theory is flawed since the word "spirit" doesn't have a universal definition. In order to validate a theory it MUST BE CONSISTENT with the definition of every objects it affects. If you can't give a consistent definition of a "spirit" and just give what you think and thought during all your life it was, we can't judge your theory from a rationnal point of view. (Isn't that what you want?)

And , do you really think that defining spirit is off-topic? :rofl: . Your theory concerns it directly.

[hello3719]

oops double posting..

[Gokul43201]

..in case you didn't know this, the bible is even talked about in our history boks
That only proves that the Bible is a real thing - I accept this, as I've seen, touched, even read it. It does not mean that the Bible is necessarily filled with truisms.
.... jesus is even talked about. obviously that is real.
I think most people accept that Jesus too existed. But that still doesn't prove anything.

the first three books of the bible are the history of the jews, and is proven by history records itself to be true.

Whoa...hang on there...Book I, Genesis talks about how God made Earth and the Sun (and made the Sun go around the Earth) and light and trees and animals and Adam and Eve. Then the descendents of Adam and Eve were traced for several generations. There is historical evidence for the existence of most of the later people in this tree, like Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, etc. However, there is no independent evidence of the existence of Adam or Eve or Abel or any of the early folks.

Still, what does all this prove ? How does this PROVE that the Bible only speaks the truth ? How ? How ? How ?

Since everyone here (save perhaps, arildno) has shown immense patience, so shall I.

And if you want to speak from faith...please try not to present it under the guise of science.

[christian_dude_27]

that i will do, but can allow myself to make a pact with everyone here in thwe forums? i know you guys, as well as myself, am getting quite tired of repeating ourselves and making quite stupid remarks towards each other. how about i try to fix my theory, put some paragraph in it, define a spirit, and, if you guys like, point out a few other mistakes in it that i can fix without violating my religion, and i can subtract the religion standpoint from the theory, other than the spirit part. would that make it better and could that perhaps leave us to talk solely about the theory in scientific terms and leave my religion out of it. i know i know, i probably was the one who brought it up in the first place, but i am the one who is ending it as well.

is this an agreeable term for everyone?

[arildno]

A much better, and humbler, approach, christian dude!
If you show the ability to separate clearly between cogent, logical arguments based on facts/clearly defined quantities amenable for rigourous calculations, and, on the other hand, philosophical/religious perspectives on the human condition, then you, your religion and your ideas deserve as much respect as anyone else/'s.
In your case, you would then belong to the group of Christians which also includes luminaries like Sir Isaac Newton and Georg Cantor (not too bad a company, or what? :wink:)
In general, I pursue a zero-tolerance line against anyone unable to draw this fundamental distinction.
Your previous posts were strong indications that you did not possess this ability; I am eagerly awaiting you proving me wrong (for which your last post is a good indication).

[kokain]

This theory is not worth fixing anyway. I think you should stop smoking the gange. And the first part of Genesis has come to be accepted as folk lore, for example, God created everything twice. They tell one story, then tell it again differently. The storys are intended only to inspire us.

[hello3719]

very good decision.

[christian_dude_27]

well, thanks for being so kind, all but kokain that is. kokain needs to stop with the cocain anyhow. my thoery basically has very little proof, probably because first of all, i am 17 years old, kinda hard to get money to fun experiments, and for another, i wouldn't know how to fun those experiments, seeing this is a new theory and little is understood in its field for any experiments to undergo. but i'll work on making it more readable, and defining things better. hows that for a start until i can get some experiments started?

[hello3719]

very good start, trying to define things in a clear and non-confusing way, always leads to something new and interesting,
I'm 17 also , and i see what you mean about experiments and all that stuff.

hehe still, thinking is becoming much more fun than experiments.

[christian_dude_27]

lol, true, and plus, its all i've done all my life. yes, i have had a very hard life. my dad abandoned me when i was 11, my mom is in prison, i'm living with an ausive gandfather, my grandmother (different sets of grandparents here) beat me, and once my dad left me, i had a mental bredakdown. only thing i could do was think and learn about other people. i know alot more than most people put past me. one rule in life: NEVER SHOW YOUR TRUE STRENGTH..learn that folks, you will need it one day.

yea, i had a pretty tough life, and it hasn't stopped, and neither have i. i'm still breathin correctly and living correctly. hope you guys all do the same.

[kokain]

This forum is for physics, not whining.

[christian_dude_27]

has anyone ever told you you're an ***? and no, that's not in cursing context, it's basically telling you that you're a stubborn jerk.

[mikesvenson]

HA!, this is entertaining! Remember to remove your earings before you get into a cat fight!

I can't believe you are argueing over the internet! How pathetic is this?!?!?!?
very very very very very very very very very very very very !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Växan]

it's impossible to have an understanding of physics without understanding maths
physics is about mathematical models

i recommend starting from the beginning, with a good foundation in maths
( esp. algebra )

in any case, this topic should be moved to philosophy or religion

[arildno]

in any case, this topic should be moved to philosophy or religion
Nope, it's an archetypal TD thread.

[christian_dude_27]

hey guys, may i ask what those warnig are about? i just noticed them today, i wonder why they are there.

anyways, i have just about stopped al ties with this forum, since it's full of little bitty mean green people. i'm going to a diferent forum now. so, see ya guys later!

[arildno]

Have a nice life, cd27

[12345]

hey guys, may i ask what those warnig are about? i just noticed them today, i wonder why they are there.

anyways, i have just about stopped al ties with this forum, since it's full of little bitty mean green people. i'm going to a diferent forum now. so, see ya guys later!

not everyone's like that. it is that your theory involves religion and
the 'spiritual dimension'. scientists barely make a mistake of involving religion.

anyway, you have to support your theory with mathamatical evidence.

[Alkatran]

So, I started reading through your post again. You know what this sounds like? It sounds like some old philosopher talking, not having done any real testing or checked anything out. He's just saying what seems to make sense to HIM.

You say that there's "no way" an electron could move fast enough to escape the electrical attraction of the proton. Then, you say that your invented (whatever it was) holds it there and that a negative charge ALWAYS repels (meaning a positive doesn't attract a negative??? It sounds like you want negative to push positive and positive to pull negative, but this violates Newton's laws. Wouldn't this mean charge didn't matter to start with as well!?!?!?!?!)

Your theory needs a little work.

[amrit]

Beyond The Concept Of Linear Time

Amrit Sorli, SpaceLife Institute,
Podere Petraiole, 53012 Chiusdino (SI), Italy
www.directscientificexperience.com
spacelife@libero.it


In the universe one can observe irreversible stream of change. Change A transforms into change B, B transforms into C and so on. When change B is in existence change A does not exist anymore, when change C is in existence change B does not exist anymore. On the base of elementary perception (sight) one can conclude that change run in the physical space only, there is no evidence of physical time. The “liner time that runs independently through the whole universal space” is only a concept created by Newton and do not exist as a physical reality. Ernst Mach says: "It is utterly beyond our power to measure the changes of things by time. Quite the contrary, time is an abstraction at which we arrive by means of the changes of things". (1) It seems that Einstein was aware that Newton’s time is only a concept but at the beginning of the last century was to early for such an idea. By creating the mathematical model of space-time he linked time to space knowing that one day complete fusion will happen. Here time is an integral part of the physical space. Einstein’s idea of space-time was newer well accepted. In today science and also daily life we still experience reality through Newton’s concept of linear time.
Here the question arises: What we measure with clocks? A clock is running in the physical space only and not in time. By observing a clock we have an impression that time is running, because we experience it through the linear concept of time. Clocks are mechanisms with a constant speed of change and are a references for the speed of all change. According to General Relativity the speed of change is slower where gravitation is stronger. The experiment with high precision clocks confirm relation between speed of change and gravitation: the clocks run slower at seaside than on the top of the high mountain.
Change are irreversible, they have no duration. When experienced through the linear concept of time it seems that they have a duration. For example: we walked five kilometres and we experienced that we walked about an hour. Comparing it with the clock we experience that we walked about an hour. We give our walk the sense of duration when we experience it through the linear concept of time. We are getting older in physical space only and not in space-time. In the physical space there is no “before”, “now” and “after”, they exist only as a parts of the linear concept of time.
As in the universe time does not exist, there is also no “arrow of time”. The stream of change has no direction, it is constantly running in the physical space. Arrow of time belongs to the linear concept of time. That why we experience the past was before the present and the future will arrive after the present. Becoming aware that time exists only in the mind we jump directly into “timeless experience” of the world and ourselves.
Science can not function without a linear concept of time. By accepting that change have no duration all different measurements would have no sense. To maintain scientific analytical approach we can say that time exists only as a stream of irreversible change and that with clocks we measure duration of change. (2)
Because of the concept of past, present and future in diagrams time is mostly represented with horizontal coordinate. Here time is understood as a irreversible change and it would be more correct to represented it with a vertical coordinate. Let see diagram for one hour of walking.



Time here means only duration of movement. Entering into timeless experience we see that the duration of movement has sense only when seen through the linear concept of time. Timeless experience is far deeper than common scientific experience. It brings knowledge about the real nature of the universe and of the man itself. To search beyond the linear concept of time awakening of consciousness is needed. Consciousness has capacity to watch the way mind functions. (3) Watching the mind brings awareness that linear time is only a concept of the mind. Physicist Julian Barbour as well as all different mystic schools say that time is an illusion.
In timeless experience we discover that the inner space in which thoughts float and the outer space in which stars float are the same physical space. We enter into deep Oneness with the whole universe. This Oneness is the source for the great scientific discoveries and the most beautiful peaces of art.

References:

1. Ernst Mach, Timelessness,
http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/timeless.html
2. Sorli A. (2004). Time Is Change. Episteme, Perugia, Italy, Number 8
http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/ep8/ep8.htm
3. Sorli A., Sorli I. K. (2004). The Scientific Basis For The Development Of Human Consciousness.
Episteme, Perrugia, Italy, Number 8, http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/ep8/ep8-sorli2.htm

Amrit Sorli

[christian_dude_27]

alkatran,

no no no! read more carefully, i think that i did mention in there that other things can attract negatives, just negative can't attract by itself. in other words, a proton can attract it, if it has an attraction towards negtives, it will attract, but the attraction power would be cut in half, because the negative is not attracting too. it still has some attractions, just not all of it. everything else still applies, EVERYTHING, the only thing i changed with that is that negatives ONLY do not attract and only repel. so, if yo got a proton attracting, and a negative always repelling, then the balne is equal, it will stay in balance.

[christian_dude_27]

wow, there are quite a few people viewing this thread, so i guess i'll stay here, seeing as though i've been banned from the other forum site. lol. fun fun, yea, but hey, anyone wish to talk on this theory, give it a shot, i'd be more than ahppy to explain it and answer questions.

[ram2048]

u sure you don't want to leave? the mean people get meaner every day

[geistkiesel]

One can predict the future with pinpoint accuracy. I do this regulalry on a daily basis. I am only in error when all the factors, constants etc that are significant in guaranteeing the future event do not cooperate from the instance of prediciton, or seeing the future, or having traveled to the future, up to the visited event, which hardly ever happens. Some seers turn out true, some turn out false, some are ambiguously intriguing, what's the point? You aren't going to throw Revelation at us as your scientific proof are you?

What about Mickey Rooney's prediction that is offered as a universal statement of the truth, past, present and future, that "Life is Too Short".

[christian_dude_27]

life i short, but time is not., but no, i've never heard of that one

[Eula]

My friend gave me this link to have a quick read, and I havent got my head round it, so I decided to have an input into this.

Firstly please please please learn to type a little better its a long process to re-read what you wrote again to make sense of your introductory piece.

Secondly, science and religion do not and should not be mixed, its very difficult for you to not contradicted yourself if you attempt to get both parties involved.

Im a firm believer in a powerful thing/being that created all of us but I believe also that a book such as the Bible was brought to control the peoples of Europe and other areas of the world by the church, and this was happening in the medieval times.

I might be a little late on this matter seing it has gradually progressed but CD27 is really coming out with a highly ridiculous theory that the spirit controls the physical body.

The brain stays alive for 10 seconds because thats the amount of time the oxygen to the brain cells can supply them for.

I suggest studying some science before entering the world of philsophy and coming up with your own theories.

[christian_dude_27]

i have, and wouldn't it be logical that the oxygen would also account for the electrical pulses in the brain? and if your head gets cut off, and you lose your oxygen, as said by my theory, wouldn't that cause you to "die" as well? not jsut your cells dieing, but the electrical pulses stopping as well. it has been proven, through many years of research and experiments, that the electrical pulses in your brain and along your nervouse system is how infomation is sent from one spot in your body to the enxt. that iks a proven fact, now, if the pulses were to stop, you brain could not function anymore. it would "die". that has been proven as well, i am not the first to state that. but i am the first to state that there is something more to it.

but i do thank you on your reply. i will try and work more on tryping a little bit better. and, i really don't kow if i can take god out of my theory, that's also why i went to a christian forum, ithinki can tlak it out there as well. with much better success. but i wanted a range of peolpe to comment on my theory, seems to do best here.

[12345]

My friend gave me this link to have a quick read, and I havent got my head round it, so I decided to have an input into this.
Secondly, science and religion do not and should not be mixed, its very difficult for you to not contradicted yourself if you attempt to get both parties involved.
I might be a little late on this matter seing it has gradually progressed but CD27 is really coming out with a highly ridiculous theory that the spirit controls the physical body.
I suggest studying some science before entering the world of philsophy and coming up with your own theories.

True never get science and religion mixed up. it is a risk in the science world.



The brain stays alive for 10 seconds because thats the amount of time the oxygen to the brain cells can supply them for.

I would say the brain is your 'spirit'.

[christian_dude_27]

i think otherwise, i don't know why,. it's jsut that gut feeling. you know? you ever had a gut feeling that that? that you know you're right, you can feel it, and no matter what anyone says to try and disprove you,you know that there has to be a way. and i'm trying to find it. this theory is not fdone yet, in fact, i posted an even better explanation of it in anotehr thread, it is called the Inol theory. it doesn't really go very deep into time travel, but it gives the rest of my theory. here, i will give a link so that you can read it as well.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=30887

i hope you enjoy that one mosre than you enjoyed this one. it does still mix religion with science, but just read what i wrote at the very end of it, and please PLEASE follow it if it bothers you in any way, ok?

[12345]

i think otherwise, i don't know why,. it's jsut that gut feeling. you know? you ever had a gut feeling that that? that you know you're right, you can feel it, and no matter what anyone says to try and disprove you,you know that there has to be a way. and i'm trying to find it. this theory is not fdone yet, in fact, i posted an even better explanation of it in anotehr thread, it is called the Inol theory. it doesn't really go very deep into time travel, but it gives the rest of my theory. here, i will give a link so that you can read it as well.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=30887

i hope you enjoy that one mosre than you enjoyed this one. it does still mix religion with science, but just read what i wrote at the very end of it, and please PLEASE follow it if it bothers you in any way, ok?


If you have a gut feeling about this theory, then follow it. don't let us discourage you. it is good to be determined, but don't stress too hard, because if you are proven wrong then..............gut feeling's gone.

[christian_dude_27]

not necessarily, my gut feeling isn't like any other. and i don't think anything like any of you do, i think. i beleive in teh power of the mind, completely. i believe that our mind shapes the universe to be what it is. my description of unified dimensions completely goes against the idea of parallel dimensions, but it doesn't mean either of hem are wrong. in fact, they could be both correct. and i don't mean that by saying a part of one is correct and a part of the otehr is correct, i mean both of them literally are correct. how is that possible? i'll tell you how. if you truly and subconsously beleive that the dimensions are parallel, then tehy will be parallel, for you and who ever else around you subconcously beleives the same exact thing. but if one single person in that group beleives that dimensions are unified and not parallel, then that one person will not have experienced what you and the other people have. yet that person will experience something completely different. both ideas work perfectly, but with different consequences.a parallel dimension syestem only limits what we can learn from dimensions, but a unified dimension system opens up a new range which has never been seen before. both are correct, and both are very diferent, but both are just as good as each other. a unified dimensions could possibly show to how instantaneous travel could be done with even today's technology, parallel dimension system shows how black holes work. my uified dimensions system...i don't know if it shows how a black hole works, basically what i'm saying is that both ideas are right, and it is only a differnt view of loking at the same thing.

that is why my gut feelign will never leave me. becuse i beleive that no matter how much evidence you have for one thing, i can also have the same amount of evidence for what i beleive and ye tthey both be right. do you see whart i'm saying? what you subconsously beleive in shapes the universe.it's all mind over matter. i say the stove is hot, but you say the stove is cold. it's a matter of how one's senses percives the information. to you, when you touch the stove, it amy really seem cold, to me, it may really seem hot. both ideas are right. both seness are correct. but it's jsut another way of loking at it.yea, hard to beleive that a hot stove is really cold isn't it? no, not really. the reason it would be hard is probably because you've been told all your life that it is. you've probably even done your own experiements, god help you, but that never means that someone else's ideas could perceve the information sent to them sa cold and not hot. even your ideas could change from hot to cold. this is good. if you ever get too cold, you can perceve the information you are sensing to be warmer. and it could really work that way, you can really shape it to be warmer. not jsut a trigger to make YOU seem like it's warmer, but to really make it warmer. you have to subconsously beleive it for it to work. so do you see how i think? i don't think like everyone else does. to me, everything is right, no amtter how much evidence you have. and everything is wrong. no matter how much evidence you have, they both work. just in a diferent light.

think on that for a little while.