Involving Yersinia pestis and B-blood type

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Yersinia pestis, the bacterium responsible for the plague, and blood type B, particularly regarding how this relationship may influence susceptibility to infection. Participants explore hypotheses related to immune response and potential connections to other diseases, such as HIV. The scope includes microbiological implications and historical perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Aychamo questions whether the similarity between Y. pestis surface antigens and type B blood could lead to a failure in immune response, potentially explaining higher mortality rates among individuals with type B and possibly AB blood types.
  • Some participants propose that individuals with blood type B may not effectively produce antibodies against Y. pestis due to the bacterium's type B-like surface antigens.
  • Njorl introduces a related hypothesis about ancestral immunity to HIV, suggesting that those who survived the plague might have a genetic advantage against HIV, although this connection remains unproven.
  • Aychamo seeks additional resources and references to support the discussion on the blood type hypothesis.
  • Another participant mentions a study regarding the CCR5 receptor and its relation to plague resistance, indicating that while a connection was suspected, it has not been definitively proven.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the hypotheses presented. While some agree on the potential link between blood type B and susceptibility to Y. pestis, others question the validity of related claims about immunity to HIV and the mechanisms involved.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of the hypotheses, the need for further empirical evidence, and the dependence on specific definitions of immunity and susceptibility. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding these relationships.

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This discussion may be of interest to microbiologists, immunologists, and those studying historical disease impacts, as well as individuals curious about the interplay between genetics and infectious diseases.

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Hey guys, in my microbiology class last semester my prof mentioned that the plague, caused by Yersinia pestis, which was in Europe, etc. He said that the reason that Y. pestis killed so many people was that it had the same surface antigens as type B blood, therefore people with (type B and type AB?) would recognize the organism as self. And then the organize kills the person (how?). Is this true? I'm trying to find references to it on the web. I find plenty of talk about Y. pestis causing the disease, but nothing regardingn the blood type.

Thank you kindly!
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It's an hypothesis, but people with bloodtype B are more likely to die from a Y. pestis infection, since they are unable to effectively make antibodies against the micro-organism if it mainly carries type B-like surface antigens (since you are not able to make antibodies against yourself, with auto-immune disease as the exception).
 
How would this affect people with AB blood type? Also, is there any websites that discuss the hypothesis?
 
Monique said:
It's an hypothesis, but people with bloodtype B are more likely to die from a Y. pestis infection, since they are unable to effectively make antibodies against the micro-organism if it mainly carries type B-like surface antigens (since you are not able to make antibodies against yourself, with auto-immune disease as the exception).

Interesting. I saw something, NOVA I think, that discussed the plague with respect to resistance to the AIDS virus. I missed the first half-hour, so I never knew what hypothesis they were trying to prove. Evidently those whose ancestors survived infection with the plague are less likely to support reproduction of the AIDS virus. I wish I knew the proposed mechanism.

Njorl
 
I don't think the plague inferred immunity against HIV has been proven yet. There was a suspicion that a mutated chemokine receptor gene (CCR5) was selected for by the plague, but a study published in Nature showed that mice with the receptor deficiency are not protected against Y. pestis.

Though, the bacteria that cause plague attack macrophages, just like the HIV virus. If both organisms interact with the same surface molecules that allow them to recognize and attach to the macrophage, some benefitial selection might still have occurred.

Aychamo, http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/9601.html you can also search www.PubMed.com for scientific publications, you'd have to find out whether the sugar coating of the bacterial resemble those of the B blood type.
 
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